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[–] glitchdx@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

does lemmy have an equivalent to/r/hfy ? This has big /r/hfy energy.

[–] RagingHungryPanda@lemm.ee 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In Becky Chambers' Wayfarer series, there is a species who actually breathes methane. The focus though is less on how that actually happens and more on how they navigate as the only species for whom oxygen is toxic. It's a great series, btw. It's a not-quite-as-optimistic as star trek future, but still optimistic and with a vast range of species who are all intermingling as learning how to get along.

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[–] Remotedeck@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I'm just going to ask because I think this is true but I'm not certain and nobody's talking about it. Antioxidants are BS right?

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxidative_stress#Diseases

Antioxidants may help with some of those conditions, but others are based on such underlying dysfunction that it would be like trying to bailing out a boat with big hole in the side. They're just not gonna do anything for you.

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 day ago

A bit Overblown, but not really bs, from what I researched a bit ago

[–] Barx@hexbear.net 3 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The dietary antioxidant fad is mostly BS. They're supposedly meant to counteract oxidative stress and specifically free radicals. Both of those things are part of a healthy life and you would die without them. So any real impact is not so simple as "just counteract those bad things". Dietary antioxidants don't always lead to higher intracellular antioxidant levels, either.

Some dietary antioxidants so lead to higher intracellular levels and may help buffer oxidative stress (like from exercise) but there isn't much evidence that it doesn't just boil down to "eating your vegetables is good for you".

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

Sleeping more (and in tact with your circadial rhytm) and drinking more water keeps the radicals at a lower level tho, keeping you healthier in age. That or fasting like a fakir your whole life, keeping your cells in an "safe energy and clean up" mode.

Edit: radicals, not oxidants

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[–] rhombus@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

It’s not that free radicals are good (they are necessary, but excess free radicals are definitely bad), but more so that there is no solid research to suggest that dietary antioxidants have any effect whatsoever. All the studies that show any beneficial effect have been shown to have major flaws or have not been able to be reproduced consistently.

[–] celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Oxidative Stress is not part of a healthy life. It's literally stress on your cells ability to respirate and detoxify. It causes DNA fragmentation in low amounts and apoptosis/cell death among other serious biological complications like cancer with high enough severity.

[–] rhombus@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

It’s more complicated than good or bad. High levels/sustained stress are definitely bad, but there’s some research to suggest that short-term oxidative stress is an important trigger for various responses in cells.

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[–] Paradachshund@lemmy.today 9 points 1 day ago (16 children)

So if this is true, why do we need it to live?

[–] propter_hog@hexbear.net 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Because we evolved on the Death Planet, and life, uh, finds a way

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

talking out my ass, I'm guessing its because oxygen is an energetic and highly reactive element, and therefore it can do lots of things and it does them really well (or at least strongly), or in general was just the best most direct means to accomplish the energy intensive tasks that were required given the biosphere we evolved in? I'm not sure how common/ vital oxygen consumption was before that one mass extinction where algae became overabundant and oxygenated the atmosphere and caused a mass extinction, it could have been a result of adaptation to that new condition- though I doubt this is the case

[–] Barx@hexbear.net 2 points 1 day ago

When we and other known organisms take energy from food we are actually taking molecules with higher-energy electrons, converting them into the high-energy molecules our cellular processes can use to do make cell things happen, and producing very similar molecules with lower-energy electrons. Rather than infinitely accumulating these molecules, our cells dump low-energy electrons onto another molecule that is amenable and thereby convert into a molecule ready to accept high-energy molecules from food (with a bunch of steps in between).

For us, as aerobes, the electron acceptor at the end of respiration is oxygen.

Oxygen as an electron receptor is newer than several others. Anaerobes came first. It was only after photosynthesis had produced a ton of atmospheric oxygen that it became a viable option, really. But it O2 is a comparatively good electron acceptor because the process in which it accepts those electrons allows cells to grab quite a bit of energy from that last step. It is fairly "electron needy" compared to earlier electron acceptors.

So, basically, aerobes get more energy per food unit (sugar molecule) than the vast majority of other creatures. You need it to live because it is an essential part of how your cells get food, namely, how it can recycle molecules at the last step of the respiration cycle.

[–] callyral@pawb.social 4 points 1 day ago

Because our atmosphere is full of oxygen and nitrogen. Oxygen happened to be the chosen option for some reason, probably because nitrogen might not be reactive enough, idk I'm not a biologist or a chemist forget what i said

[–] Tiltinyall@beehaw.org 0 points 1 day ago

In physics being finite is actually a good thing, there is a quantifiable answer to living and to dying as part of our identity.

[–] zaph@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 day ago

Same reason an alcoholic needs alcohol to keep from shaking, you're addicted. Go ahead, try to stop. You'll shake just like they do.

[–] azi@mander.xyz 6 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Organisms need some oxidizing agent to respire. We use oxygen because it's very highly reactive and thanks to photosynthesis is goddamn everywhere.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)
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[–] Kowowow@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago

I wonder if you could something like a magnesium atomosphere where if a human it got a hole in their suit it would cause them to burst into flames as the outside pressure forced it's way in then reacted with the oxygen and water in our suit and body

[–] qaopjlll@hexbear.net 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I guess this is why rich ghouls and professional athletes are into cryotherapy for anti-aging. Like that weird billionaire who also stole blood from his son. What's the consensus on that, is it a grift or do serious scientists think you can really extend your life by regularly locking yourself in a cold chamber or dunking yourself in an ice bath for a few minutes every day?

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[–] pancake@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Chemical damage to our bodies mostly consists of both oxidation and Maillard-like reactions. So we're both slowly burning and getting cooked!

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Rusting your insides

They say a planet like earth I'd very rare. Rarer still to find life on one. I believe life is as abundant in the universe as it is here. Which means to me, in our neck of the universe we are an oddity.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 37 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Powerful oxidizers are dangerous stuff!

One I’ve learned about recently (and used) is potassium permanganate. One of its uses is for improving water quality in fish ponds. It oxidizes basically all organic matter. It can simultaneously knock out algae, bacteria, parasites, hormones, and other excess organic waste. And the pathogens it kills can’t build up resistance to it like they would an antibiotic or poison, so it can be used preventively without creating stronger bugs. You can’t really build resistance to BURNING outside video games.

But that also means that if you add too much, you can just as easily sterilize all life in a body of water, including fish and anything else you want to keep.

AND it means you need to be careful when handling it. If you burn your eyes or your lungs, it makes them stop working!

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[–] lath@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago

Explains why we tend to spontaneously combust at times

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