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Some friends I just can’t shake

hard enough

around the neck

with a firm grip

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[–] rastro@sh.itjust.works 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I have conservative friends. Almost all of them oppose Trump. The point you think you’re making isn’t as clear as you think. The narrative of someone using the “I’m a conservative and I’m being silenced/discriminated” isn’t coming from actual conservatives but rather from MAGA and white nationalist clowns pushing a hateful, un-Christian, not actually classic conservative agenda.

[–] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 10 points 7 months ago

I think it's a joke at the expense of many who deserve it.

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 13 points 7 months ago

shifts uncomfortably

Nope! I know what conservatives want and what they stand for, when I tell them to fuck off it's with pride and volume. Conservative isn't a race, a color, a religion or a sexuality. It's not beyond your control. It's a series of moral decisions made by a fully competent adult who can absolutely be held responsible for what they believe and what they try to do with their power in the world.

[–] Disinfect056@lemm.ee 12 points 7 months ago (40 children)

Yyeap that is how it feels to be a conservative today..... Cant say you are a conservative cause people will call you "rasist" "bigot" "sexist" "transphobic" and so on. Just because you think a 9 month old baby should have the same rights as a newborn. Or because you think we should have rules (and we do) behind how people cross the border. Or because you think people should pay money back if they barrow money.

Just some thoughts that will get you banned from social media.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If people are calling you racist, bigoted, sexist, and transphobic simply because you identify as a conservative, you should probably reevaluate your positions and if you truly identify with conservative values.

Nobody is aborting 9 month old fetuses outside of exceptional medical emergencies, and denying women bodily autonomy is incredibly authoritarian.

Nobody thinks there shouldn't be any rules about crossing borders, even the fringe people that are for open borders. What people disagree with is intentionally drowning people via razorwire as a deterrent, and instead want an easier path to citizenship.

Everyone thinks paying debts is a good thing, but may disagree on what constitutes a faulty, predatory system of debt that ought to be abolished in the first place, like medical debt and school debt.

The thoughts you listed alone will not get you banned from social media (outside of specific communities for specific purposes), what would is how you express those views, which can in fact be sexist, bigoted, or perhaps even racist or transphobic.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Nobody is aborting 9 month old fetuses outside of exceptional medical emergencies, and denying women bodily autonomy is incredibly authoritarian.

Nobody is aborting 9-month-old fetuses at all. Unless that fetus is already dead or dying, 9 months is well past the point of viability.

24 weeks (5 months and some change) is when a fetus could viably survive outside the womb with medical intervention. 9 months is at the point of being fully developed, even if it is a couple weeks premature.

Almost all abortions happen at 10 weeks or less, well before the point of viability. Almost no abortions happen after 24 weeks. Definitely none happening at 9 months.

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[–] cygon@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

I would agree that some people have become hyper-sensitized towards any statement that might be interpreted as "racist", "sexist" or "transphobic", no thanks to a definite rise of those sentiments, mainly amongst conservatives. But I firmly believe this "they call anyone conservative a nazi/a racist/a transphobe/a xenophobe" claim is a persecution complex installed onto conservatives by the media to disarm the accusations and instead turn them into anger against the "other side."

If this is about the USA, abortion used to be legal up to 12 weeks after conception, 9 months would be crazy. Also, there is no open border, nor does the current government want that (they merely insist on proper procedure, aka rules, rather than letting people drown). Republicans will likely continue to reject border deals in order to keep the topic cooking until election day and to aid America's enemies in Russia.

[–] gennygameshark@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I agree with a lot of your opinions here, I just don't understand what makes these examples intrinsically conservative.

I'm a liberal, but I don't believe in the breakdown of structure. A lot of those rules are in place for a reason - I'd argue the difference lies more in response.

...you were banned from a social media site for saying someone should pay back a debt?Which one, I'll stay as far away as possible, that's crazy fr 😯

[–] MeaanBeaan@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago (13 children)

I'm assuming he's referring to student loan forgiveness. I could see him getting banned from certain communities for saying he's against it.

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[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 12 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Wouldn't a Muslim friend be conservative?

[–] TealTallMachine@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

From persnoal experience, not really. Only some are, just like how some Christians are too and not all of them. Humans will always human, no matter the label.

[–] HumanPenguin@lemmy.cafe 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (7 children)

Honestly when I lived in the US, the Conservative xtian thing really surprised me.

Here in the UK xtians tend to be left of center. And the center is historica,ly way more left then the US left.

US Conservative ideals really do not seem even close to the xtian teaching I grew up around.

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[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Not even that moldy tbh. just not cracked and deep fried enough for non mondays.

[–] MinusPi@yiffit.net 12 points 7 months ago

Define conservative. I don't count bigotry.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 11 points 7 months ago

Wow, sometimes I invoke Poe's law when people say no one here gets a joke, but like what the hell happens here

It's clearly just joking mirroring. Of course we don't want intolerant people in our discourse.

[–] Dra@lemmy.zip 10 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Isn't Islam technically Conservative? I'm confused

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 7 months ago

Religion should be opposed via education, culture, and general science, not via the state. Religion is conservative, but there are good religious people.

[–] i_ben_fine@lemmy.one 6 points 7 months ago

All religions are technically conservative. Individuals have individual relationships with their religions though.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 7 points 7 months ago
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