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I see sex work as somewhat analogous to coal mining. It's not that it isn't real work, or that those who work in that capacity don't deserve rights, dignity, or a society that works for them. The problem, of course, is the ever-present exploitation of the workers coupled with the severe unpleasantness of the occupation which ensures that the people who do work these jobs are those with few other options. That isn't to say that all sex workers and/or coal miners are miserable. Even so, the patterns around this kind of work are unmistakable.

Given these facts, I think most reasonable people understand that sex work should go extinct. That isn't to say that you can't make pornography or have sex with strangers. However, it's impossible to gauge enthusiastic consent when money is changing hands, and enthusiastic consent is a vital component for an ethical sexual encounter.

My question for the community is how exactly this is meant to be accomplished. How can sex work be abolished without harming the very people it's meant to protect? The number one problem western sex workers face, more so than creepy clients, is the cops, who profile them, steal their wages, and arrest them on a whim. Clearly, criminalizing sex work hasn't done much for sex workers. What are some alternatives?

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[–] Spagetisprettygood@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Pornography should also be extinct. Consent under capitalism in porn is dubious at best and is still exploitative, and it objectifies the people in it mostly of which are women.

The solution is simply to improve living standards and worker conditions so that they have no need to go into sex work. Sex work should not be legalized period.

[–] ihaveibs@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago

That's a bit economistic, there will need to be a massive cultural revolution in the west to fix the gender contradictions that goes beyond just improving living standards and worker conditions. Can't speak to the rest of the world although I know similar contradictions are present thanks in large part to Christian missionaries.

Totally agreed on pornography though, it is very harmful to women and queer folk (and men too, mostly in different ways). Society would have to be fundamentally different before sexual material like that could exist in a healthy way.

[–] Munrock@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Step 1: Depose capitalism and liberate the working class.

That's it. You can do anything you like to abolish sex work, but if capitalism remains fhen economic coercion will remain and sex work will eventually come back. When capitalism is gone, the economic coercion that makes transactional sex exploitative/unethical is gone.

[–] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago

This is 100% it. In a society that has moved past capitalism into socialism/communism there won't be sex work because people won't need it for income.

[–] SovereignState@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'd like to add to the overall discussion that the sex trade has been legalized, in Turkiye and Germany, and yet they remain top spots for human trafficking victims and the supposed rights afforded to people within the trade often look more like infringements. Brothels being state-run is just a double whammy that has effectively turned both states into mega-pimps.

Germany was and still is the main destination of human trafficking in Europe.

In Poland getting paid for sex is legal, but pimping and brothels are illegal. Of course that don't stopped nothing at all. Pimps are "bodyguards" and brothels are "dance clubs" or "resteurations" which hire rooms for people "wanting" to spend some time with eachother. As long as there is something else to officially pay for, it's operating in the open.

Btw this is used in a peculiar small time tax evasion method. The argument of state being a pimp was actually used, and sex services are not taxed. Therefore i heard about few cases where some otherwise legit income or gifts was declared "sex service" in order to evade tax.