Yep. It was mostly a joke. Mostly. The bungled adoption of v6 plus all the ways we can still leverage v4 is what's keeping v6 from being adopted any time soon, but one day we're going to have to rip off the band-aid and just go for it. Sure, v6 is going to bring its own issues and weirdness, but FUTURE!

[–] Hobo@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

I swear it's going to be a generational change where it takes a slow adoption by the younger network people as the older network people slowly retire. Kind of like how racism and sexism has diminished. It wasn't like we changed anyone's mind, just that people held onto it until they died and younger people just said, "The future is now, old man." and moved past it.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago (3 children)

"IP address are four sets of numbers with dots in between AND THAT'S HOW I LIKES IT!" - Me, an old network guy

Honestly the fact that I can't remember or type IPv6 addresses is a big reason I haven't bothered figuring it out.

[–] Hobo@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I imagine you sitting there like Scotty, "Give me an ip address, not no colon, not no hexadecimal, and not no bloody double colon. Just 4 numbers between 0 and 255 with a dot in between."

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So, my argument here is.... Why the hell are you memorizing IP addresses?

Is your DNS so misconfigured that you're still punching in IPs by hand?

DNS is the solution. Going to "router.domain.local" or whatever your internal domain is, is easier to remember than.... Which subnet am I on again? Is this one 192.168.22.254? Or 192.168.21.1?

Stop punching in numbers like a cave man. Use DNS. You won't even notice if it's IPv6 after that

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

And what happens when DNS inevitably falls over and I need to fix it?

And when I'm watching IP addresses scroll by, IPv6 ones are a lot harder to read than v4

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 months ago

DNS, by its very nature is redundant. So DNS shouldn't just fall over. If it does, you're doing something wrong.

If you absolutely need to go to IP addresses, they should be documented.

Unless DNS is outright wrong, there should not be an issue.

For scrolling: are you staring at active log files? Who isn't using a syslog aggregator? You can easily look up the IP of whatever device that is interesting and filter the log by that IP.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

some super gigabrained chad linux nerd will have written a tool to automatically configure it and have open sourced it.

You could probably just use that. I think like most things in life, the answer is automation.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I wouldn't trust it unless I wrote it myself. And even then maybe not.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago

well then go and do it manually, surely you as a human wouldn't make any mistakes. Would you?

[–] crispy_kilt@feddit.de 2 points 5 months ago

That's not what an IP is though, that's just dotted representation

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

All I want to say about this is that the technology specialists, especially in networking, are usually not this opposed to change. Things change for networking and systems folks all the time. We're used to it. Most of the time the hard sell is with the management folks who Green light projects. They don't want to "waste" money on something that "nobody wants".

Legitimately, one company I asked about IPv6 said to me that customers had not requested it, so they haven't spent any time on implementing it.

As if customers know what's good for them....

[–] crispy_kilt@feddit.de 2 points 5 months ago

I see you've worked with my employer

[–] el_abuelo@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Speaking of being an old man, let me tell you:

"The future is now old man" != "The future is now, old man."

I genuinely tripped over this sentence thanks to the lack of punctuation.

[–] Hobo@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Fixed. Thanks!

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 5 months ago

Next up, the Oxford comma; Meet the strippers, Hitler and Stalin

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The important bit is that almost every major web service is already running fully dual stacked. Azure, Amazon, Meta, CloudFlare, Google.... If it's a commonly known internet company, it's probably ready for IPv6.

There's still plenty that isn't ready, but most well known things have been ready for years at this point.

[–] the_doktor@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 months ago

The fact that almost the entire internet is controlled by those evil companies is really fucking sad. I remember the old days when people, you know, hosted their own shit and used manual load balancing to keep large sites up and working.