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[Ars Technica] No apologies as Reddit halfheartedly tries to repair ties with moderators
(arstechnica.com)
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/930912
This is the user's 3rd post. Let's see how long before that is also taken down! 🤣
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Long-screenshot:
Edit: Seems like Lemmy just compresses long-screenshots, so here's imgur link:
https://i.imgur.com/3hrxeXt.jpg
Original post (this is the 3rd post, it was too late for me to see the other 2 posts):
https://old.reddit.com/r/place/comments/155emuz/so_i_cant_even_post_about_the_abuse_going_on_here/
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We have territory given to us by the Fuck Spez Coalition. We just need more soldiers. Come help us spread the word of Lemmy!!
Fuck Spez Coalition (Allies) https://discord.gg/sYrPDEJ7U8
Lemmy Coordination Chat https://matrix.to/#/!hiNoQZCxnHSsATzzmo:data.haus?via=matrix.org&via=data.haus&via=plus.st
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Don't know if it fits here, but after the blackout I came across this comment (the picture is a fragment of the original comment) unfortunately I forgot where I took it from.
If anyone knows, please let me know so I can credit them properly. For accessibilty purposes, here is a transcript:
I'm angry that some of you are just fine with losing this place - this place that is my home on the internet, This place that I and my fellow mods have been fellow members FOR YEARS, right along side of you.
I'm angry. And I'm angry some of you aren't. That you're fine with this place becoming the festering flaming garbage dump that is every other social media platform.
But no one deserves for me to take that anger out on them. But please reflect on why we've fought to KEEP being here for you and for ourselves when this place changes overnight. Because it's about to. And I likely won't be here to watch it because it'll break my heart
End transcript of photo.
I saved this because it struck a chord in me, after I randomly found out about the protests and trying to salvage what I could.
The confusion turned into a low panic, which turned into grief and anger. Reddit used to be a little niche hobby hole for me to delve into from time to time. Those subreddits were there for me during some of the worst times of my life, and now, all that information would just be gone. I tried to save as much as I could, which wasn't much. Ironically, this was the time when I stumbled upon some of even more niche subreddits, that I knew would take too much time to try and archive.
Archives that would live the same way the dusty screenshots live in my phone, unused in years. But I couldn't just let them go. As I spent a few weeks gathering up what I could, not beliving myself that I was grieving a weird form of social media, I started noticing the lack of geniune community. It felt so empty, and that made it easier for me to move on.
The whole reason I felt at home on Reddit left and came here. And on Lemmy, I could feel at home once again, and I never looked back.
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Users are already planning protest art. I personally wouldn't encourage people to join because it's more traffic for Reddit, but that's just me.
On other news, apparently requesting a subreddit now requires a 28d old account with 100+ karma.
EDIT: it's on again, since 20min ago:
The only two recognisable things are the "fuck spez" and nationalists spamming some government flag.
EDIT 2: better view:
I think that the meaning of the sentence in German up there should be rather obvious. It's on-topic.
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It was great while it lasted. I submitted my email for any future updates from the dev but I still don't know why it kept working after 1 July.
edit: I didn't understand earlier why Donald Trump would be offensive but I realise my mistake.
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The link contains db0's views on the ongoing state of Reddit, and I think that it's worth sharing here - both to document a piece of opinion, and as food for thought. The main points are:
- a comparison between the current state of Reddit vs. Myspace near collapse;
- the illusion that everything is fine based on "raw" numbers like engagement;
- that Reddit was never a "good" site, but it had two positive points (open API and hands-off approach to communities), destroyed by the current events;
- the ongoing progression of the Fediverse as alternative to Reddit;
- the change in quality in both the content and the behaviour of the people still there.
The text mentions an article from Cory Doctorow. I've copied it to a pastebin, in case someone can't access it.
EDIT: I hope that the author doesn't mind, but I'll copy the contents of the article inside the spoilers below. Hopefully for mobile users it'll be a bit more accessible.
Reddit is a dead site running
from July 10, 2023
Yesterday I read the excellent article by Cory Doctorow: Let the Platforms Burn and this particular anecdote
"The thing is, network effects are a double-edged sword. People join a service to be with the people they care about. But when the people they care about start to leave, everyone rushes for the exits. Here’s danah boyd, describing the last days of Myspace:
If a central node in a network disappeared and went somewhere else (like from MySpace to Facebook), that person could pull some portion of their connections with them to a new site. However, if the accounts on the site that drew emotional intensity stopped doing so, people stopped engaging as much. Watching Friendster come undone, I started to think that the fading of emotionally sticky nodes was even more problematic than the disappearance of segments of the graph.
With MySpace, I was trying to identify the point where I thought the site was going to unravel. When I started seeing the disappearance of emotionally sticky nodes, I reached out to members of the MySpace team to share my concerns and they told me that their numbers looked fine. Active uniques were high, the amount of time people spent on the site was continuing to grow, and new accounts were being created at a rate faster than accounts were being closed. I shook my head; I didn’t think that was enough. A few months later, the site started to unravel.
This is exactly what is happening to Reddit currently. The most passionate contributors, the most tech-literate users, and the integrators who make all the free tools in the ecosystem around reddit which makes that service much more valuable have left and will never look back.
From the dashboards of u/spez however, things might looks great. Better even! As the drama around their decision making certainly caused a lot more posts and interactions, and the loss of the 3rd party apps drove at least a few users to the official applications.
But this is an illusion. Like MySpace before them, the metric might look good, but the soul of the site has been lost. It’s not easy to explain but since I’ve started using Lemmy full-time, I’ve seen the improvement in engagement and quality in real time. half a month ago, posts could barely pass 2 digits, now they regularly break 3 and sometimes 4 digits. And the quality of the discussions is a pleasure to go through.
I said it before, but reddit was never a particularly good site. Their saving grace was the openness of their API and their hands-off approach to communities. The two things they just destroyed. It’s those 3rd party tools and communities that made reddit like it is. As as the ecosystem around reddit sputters and dies, the one around the Threadiverse is progressing in an astonishing rate.
Not only are the integrators coming from reddit aware what kind of bots and tools are going to be very useful, but a lot of those tools are shut off from reddit and switched to the lemmy API instead, explicitly cannibalizing the quality of the reddit experience. And due to the completely open API of the Threadiverse, those tools now get access to unparalleled access and power.
Sure if you visit reddit currently, you’ll see people talking and voting, but as someone who’s been there from the start, the quality has fallen off a hill and is reaching terminal velocity. But it feels like one’s still flying!
Not just the quality of the posts where only the most superficial meme stuff can rise to the top, not just the quality of the discussion, but even mere vibe of the discussions is just lost.
There’s now significant bitterness and hostility, especially as the mods who were responsible for maintaining the quality, have gone or are being hands off or just don’t have the tools needed to keep up. I’ve heard from multiple people who are leaving even while they were not originally planning to, because the people left over in reddit are just so toxic.
This is a very vicious cycle which will accelerate the demise of that site even further.
A house fire can go from a spark to a raging inferno in less than a minute. The flames consuming reddit are just now climbing up the curtains and it still appears manageable, but it’s already too late. Reddit has reached terminal enshittification and the only thing left for it to do, is die.
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what can I do to protest Reddit while waiting for Lemmy to grow in popularity?
(discuss.tchncs.de)
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If you haven't left one already, go do it now! https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.reddit.frontpage
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Reddit's crappy app has code for a "get money for your karma" program
(www.androidauthority.com)
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