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[–] OneLemmyMan@lemmy.world 353 points 1 year ago (10 children)

It's true that it's not always about the money, but it's probably never about a ping pong table

[–] pain_is_life_is_pain@sh.itjust.works 105 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Well, hypothetical speaking, if there were two completely absolutely identical jobs, but the one had a ping pong table. I might choose the one without and ask them to get a Foosball table, since I'm no good at ping pong.

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[–] Kichae@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Indeed.

It's telling that "basic dignity" or "managers who aren't dicks" didn't make the list.

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[–] peto@lemm.ee 133 points 1 year ago (8 children)

There is a bit of truth here. Toxic culture and out of touch management will make people walk as well.

Thing is, there might just be a wad of cash big enough to make me put up with that against my health interests.

Fuck ping pong tables though. No one left a company because they didn't have enough fucking table sports. If you think they are then you are the problem. Exit interview your own fucking arse.

[–] dabadee@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Around 2012 I had a interview with a recruiter, he asked me what kind of company you're looking for, and I replied, one without a ping pong table, he laughed at me, I am an immigrant, left home when I was 19, so around 2008 went around in my country and EU, and already understood that whenever a company had a ping pong table it had a shitty culture, so by the time of that interview I already seen more than enough shitty companies, but I remember that interview in particular because the guy started making fun of me, laughing at me

11 years after, I wish I could speak with that recruiter to see if he understood that ping pong tables are low efforts solutions adopted by shitty-environment companies and if he would laugh at me again

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[–] Hasherm0n@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

One of the best bosses I ever had once told me that people will stay for the culture but leave for money. His philosophy was to try and ensure that money was not a factor in people's decision, then build as good a culture as he could.

And to be clear, by making money not a factor, I mean he paid well.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I had a meeting years ago with my company's CTO about my salary. He kicked off the meeting by saying "you care a lot more about what you make than I do" which prompted me to ask for 50% more than I had been planning to ask for. He agreed to it without argument. TBF he was a coke addict married to the daughter of the company's owner and within six months he'd been divorced and fired, but I got to keep my salary.

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[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 130 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

As a professional in this field, top reasons would be...

  • Dissatisfaction with pay
  • Limited/No career progression
  • Dissatisfaction with environment/culture
  • Dissatisfaction with management
  • Poor work-life balance
  • Poor job design/expectations of role
  • Poor taining quality/knowledge management
  • Inadequate tools/systems

Edit: I should also point out we have about half a dozen ping-pong tables scattered around my work and our turnover figures were bang on average for annual benchmarking against the sector. I consider the average too high, though, and will be targeting better retention over this year. We'll need at least double the amount of ping-pong tables.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 58 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I don't see pizza party or ping pong table on that list so you're obviously not a professional.

A real professional knows employees want pizza parties instead of higher pay and they want more responsibilities with the same pay!

:P

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[–] PeckerBrown@lemmy.world 93 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's only been two reasons for me to quit a job: shitty pay and shitty people in charge.

Sounds like this company has both.

[–] rDrDr@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Sounds like you need a Ping Pong table.

[–] ShakyPerception@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

AND additional responsibilities!

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[–] dipshit@lemmy.world 78 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s true, most people don’t care about money.

They care about what money can help them buy, like another day of survival.

It was never about the money. It was about maslovs heirarchy of needs; which, at the very bottom, is a foosball table.

[–] myplacedk@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (7 children)

There's two kinds of money: Enough money, and more than enough money.

If you don't have enough money, that's all that matters. A nicer day at work means very little.

Once you have enough money, more money matters very little. Now it's about enjoying work etc.

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[–] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 57 points 1 year ago (1 children)

None of these answers is correct, it's simply not a multiple choice question.

For some the pay is important, others need a bit of distraction like a ping pong table.

Everybody has their own needs, the biggest HR loser is the one that fits all employees in the same square.

[–] eleefece@kbin.social 51 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A ping pong table? What for? So HR can punish you when you use it?

[–] kurosawaa@programming.dev 36 points 1 year ago (10 children)

seriously,who has time to use a ping pong table at work? It's like a decoration to remind you you're not having fun.

[–] shyguyblue@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

You can only enjoy the perks during your 45 minute lunch break. Food or fun, your choice ..

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[–] plumbercraic@lemmy.sdf.org 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I had this argument with a boomer HR consultant and she just doubled down, even though I explained that neither I nor my colleagues, give two hoots about fussball or team building. Our position is a resounding "fuck you pay me" but oh no - boomer knows best.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago

My then gf now wife moved in with me and my employer wouldn't cover her under the insurance. I made it clear that this was important. They wouldn't back down. So got a new job. During the exit interview I repeated what I told them. It was only about the health insurance. HR tried to get me to talk smack about my manager, a guy I actually liked. I praised him and again told them that this was only about insurance.

Told my manager about what they did on the way out the door.

[–] Commiunism@lemmy.wtf 42 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Questions like these make me wonder if large capitalists actually live in an alternate universe but through some time and space shenanigans they are still here. There's just no way they can make this type of shit up (assuming it's a real question) without being delusional or sadistic.

[–] SuddenDownpour@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

There’s just no way they can make this type of shit up (assuming it’s a real question) without being delusional or sadistic.

Of course there is: they want to implement doublethink. It's a deliberate attempt to make workers not to pursue their own rational interest when it conflicts with corporate profits.

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[–] azvasKvklenko@sh.itjust.works 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, often when an employee leaves it's about the lack of ping-pong table.

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[–] synapse1278@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Ping Pong table ? Are they serious ?!? We had a PS5 in the meeting room for ~4 month an no one ever touched it. I don't go to work to have a fun time, I go to do my job, then leave and have a fun somewhere else. More correct answers for retaining employees:

  • give them tasks they are interested in
  • give them perspective for developement (promotions, raise, mobility, etc)
  • value their contributions and support them moraly (you want to know your managers and colleages got your back)
  • of course more money ! Or alternatively more freetime !
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[–] Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Never quit a job over lack of ping pong tables.

[–] ikapoz@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 year ago

Unless of course your job is to be a ping pong ball tester, in which case you may not be getting supported with the necessary tools to perform your job successfully.

[–] m3t00@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I've never left a company because of money. I have left because the bullshit they put me through wasn't worth the money. That's not just being funny either. I'm okay with being under-compensated if the environment is positive, managers are friendly and flexible, and it actually feels like our sister teams have similar goals and we're not working against each other.

[–] TinyDonkey4@reddthat.com 17 points 1 year ago

I agree with this, with a caveat. I'm ok with being underpaid compared to industry standard, to a certain extent. However, I'm not ok with being underpaid compared to other colleagues doing similar work for the same employer.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is true but still not the right answer... it's not always about the money

IT'S ABOUT THE METS BABY, LET'S GO METS, GONNA GET A HOMERUN, LOVE THE METS! LET'S GO METS!

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[–] dusky@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Ah yes because I have the time to play ping pong :)

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[–] golamas1999@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This reminds me of the Simpson episode where they are negotiating a new contract. It’s the same as the old one expect the they replace the dental plan with a keg of beer.

Season 4 Episode 17 “Last Exit to Springfield” .

[–] girthero@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (5 children)
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[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 27 points 1 year ago

Yeah, we're the fucking generation that can't afford our own living, but have you tried giving us a ping-pong table?

[–] bappity@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

the correct answer to this entire questionnaire is to close it and never look back

[–] lipilee@feddit.nl 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

perfectly maps to startups selling working at a startup as "we're a family", "you're a googler", etc. give them a ping pong table and free beer on fridays and you can pay considerably less.

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[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 year ago (4 children)

How many of these companies think employees are going to say it's about the money during an exit interview? Usually if you agree to an exit interview it's to be diplomatic and not burn your bridges. You're not going to tell the truth, you're going to say what they want to hear.

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[–] RagingHungryPanda@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

share this with workreform. they'll love it. I would link but forgot how

[–] snek@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (4 children)

"Usually, in our narrow and sad description of what an employee wants, it's not money. Clearly it's more related to the lack of ping-pong tables and extra responsibilities." 🤡

These people have absolutely forgotten what it means to be an employee.

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[–] InternetTubes@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

An exit interview will reveal that they want a ping-pong table and that's why they are leaving? I want to know where this course is from.

Maybe it's right, and all those CEOs who received massive raises due to getting their companies rescued because they were too big to fail just needed a ping pong table instead.

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[–] nxfsi@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

They said employee, not wage slave

[–] zarmanto@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Of course, nobody with two brain cells to rub together who reads that answer is sitting there thinking to themselves, "Huh... I guess I've had it wrong all this time, focusing so much on money." Rather, they're instinctively blurting out, "Yeah right -- I call bull!"

But I'll give them partial credit; frequently it's about money. Sometimes, it's just about a work environment that used to be great going to crap. And sometimes, it's about the employee coming to an epiphany, and realizing that their work environment was actually crap all along.

That said, it may be true that not every job that I've ditched was entirely because of money... but it should go without saying that it's always a factor in where I went for the next job. Also, it's never the only factor -- but it's certainly one of the more significant ones.

[–] 011010101010010@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This has to be satire

...right?

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[–] Scheme@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

46 HR Employees downvoted this post.

[–] Nevoic@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I actually convinced my boss to get us a ping pong table, all I had to do was forego my pay for a year!

Totally worth, since I'm not working for the money, I'm working for the culture (our culture is now a ping pong table). It's so awesome that I can use it during my state-mandated breaks 🙂

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[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wild. They both "might" help. They both cost the company money. They should both be correct.

[–] STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Wtf are you talking about? Employees work office jobs 9 to 5 because they love to work. Like all good employee's. Heck, if they weren't getting paid they'd still the work for free because they love it so much. It's only out of the pure goodness of my heart that I decide to pay them minimum wage/s

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