No Stupid Questions

No, I just want to shake hands with this guy.

Honestly, no.

Not that I'm saying it's okay to just murder folks, but, with the amount of people the people of his class have killed (either via policies or just the general fucked up shit they do), it seems hypocritical. This man was making 10mil a year killing his customers to fatten his pockets. More money than he could ever spend and still wanted more, like all of them do. People have been killed for less, by police, with them only getting paid leave, so why should I be up in arms now when they called me a terrorist for protesting, when they said "my kind" are damaging the country. People have tried to be reasonable for far too long imo, but the oligarchs just tell us to wait for the trickle down.

They can wait for my fucks to trickle down 🤷🏿‍♀️

I know the mods on lemmy.world are deleting posts educating US citizens on their legal right to nullification if they're appointed to a jury, but I'll say it anyway. You can simply just refuse to find someone guilty, even if there's every bit of evidence and a video recorded confession.

Not really. Obviously murder is wrong but the rich and powerful deserve a boogeyman.

I want it treated like every other murder in New York. I want the police to spend 5 minutes pretending to look for the perpetrator, shrug their shoulders, say "nothing could be done, thoughts and prayers", then throw this into the perpetually growing pile of unsolved murders and move on with their day.

That's what they do when anyone else in the city or state is murdered, this guy doesn't deserve special attention. If they want to solve murders they should solve every murder, not just the billionaire's murder.

I hope he's caught and found not guilty so he doesn't have to live in hiding for the rest of his life. Just like that kid Kyle Rittenhouse that got away with murder and now has a podcast and people donated a bunch of money to him. If he can do it why can't this guy.

I want to reward him.

I've never subscribed to anyone's patreon ever before but I would sub to his.

This is one of those cases just begging for Jury Nullification.

No, I think he should escape into myth. I hope that he had a planned exit strategy for the end of this, and that he manages to flee the U.S. If he is caught, I believe he will be made an example, a metaphorical head on a pike to scare people off.

i hope he never gets caught

People are saying he wasn't murdered, he just dropped to the ground alone, nobody in the street with him. There's even video, nobody is there...

I want him prosecuted, and freed by jury nullification.

Let them see that yes this was murder, but the people agree with it.

My righteous side wants him to face an appropriate sentence

That's not righteousness. Let me ask you this. If someone killed your spouse, or told you that you can't get treatment for your very curable, but otherwise fatal disease, because they'd rather have a little more money than they don't need, and will never spend, and then that person did that a million more times, do you think the world is better with or without that person?

Since I'm not in a jury selection panel I would recommend any patriotic American who finds themselves in one shuts the fuck up about their knowledge of jury nullification until they are selected. Then says fuck the law and dutifully informs their fellow jurors about it.

What the fuck are they going to do? Prosecute you? Make jury nullification a headline?

Imagine how your trial for nullification would go.

Yes, of course he must be prosecuted if he can be found. As a member of the general population I feel as though it's possible that a jury wouldn't convict him and could even find him not guilty. Then he is a free man.

Until his identity is known I shall call him Attaboy Goodman, and if a jury were to convene with me on it, I would be unlikely to take seriously any claim by the state that this vigilantism is somehow more destructive of public order than police murdering and robbing people while ignoring wage theft and corporate crimes.

Do you want the murderer of the UnitHealthcare CEO prosecuted?

Nope. Killing a billionaire parasite doesn't make one a murderer - it merely makes one a credit to the human race.

P.S. this topic is highly controversial

Not really.

ITT: Nobody understands the difference between being prosecuted and convicted.

He should absolutely be prosecuted, he murdered someone. Should he be convicted of this murder? Fuck no, and I actually think a jury might agree with me.

No, because I don't see any point to it. If they manage to catch him, they may as well just kill him on the spot when they get him, as I have no faith that his trial would be anything more than a farce to try and present some sense of following process and norms, while guaranteeing he gets some insane sentence, only to be found mysteriously to have hung himself. I'm sure that, somehow, a jury of his peers will be comprised solely of the 12 most ghoulish residents of NYC one could find, and they'll probably try to shop around for the worst judge they can to hear the whole thing.

Chances are, the CEO should've been prosecuted for whatever precipitated this long ago. Sounds like suicide by victim to me.

I'll never cheer for an act of murder. But I am not broken up about this one.

Genuine answer? He should be tried. Murder is still murder. But I wouldn't go out of my way to catch the guy, given the chance.

Far greater acts of evil and murder happen every single day, but I'm supposed to be bother by this one because the guy who died played by the rules of our broken-ass system? Or am I supposed to still be so blinded by the myth of capitalism, that wealth inherently represents virtue, that I should believe this CEOs life is worth more than the suffering occurring in every other part of the world? Should I choose to believe that the people he neglected to help - in hischoosing to chase the Almighty Dollar - are worth less than his life, because someone pulled the trigger rather than just watching people suffer while holding back the means to help? What kind of fucked up trolley problem is this?

I'll never cheer for an act of murder. But I am not broken up about this one.

yes, of course. and found not guilty, to send a message.

How about some jury nullification.

I think it's a complicated question. I say yes, but with caveats.

He needs to be prosecuted in order to keep the letter of the law running. You can't just say "you can't kill anyone unless the rest of us don't like him." Laws should be about absolutism.

However the sentencing does not have to be absolute. Find him guilty (because technically he is). Then give him a suspended sentence because of extenuating circumstances.

Nope.

No.

The fictional outcome that might work best - the shooter has a terminal condition, escapes punishment until their final weeks, publicly admits what and why they did it and dies before the courts can really do anything. That way there’s closure, justice is left in limbo, and the shooter doesn’t really escape either. No happy ending, it’s not a happy story.

I want jury nullification as it would send the most powerful of messages to Wall Street.

Won't happen, but I can dream.

For me it's a classic Trolley Problem.

Catching and prosecuting this guy will make healthcare barons feel that much safer and more likely to kill more Americans.

A random murder is evil. A murder that ends an evil life while saving thousands of random lives is not.

Don't fall in love with your precious texts scribbled by long dead legislators.

Nope

From an idealist perspective, yes. I want to be able to believe that the law holds everyone equally accountable and no one should be above it.

However from my current realistic position, I know damn well as do we all that they law already doesn't hold everyone equally accountable -- not even close. And the fact that the deceased made a living doing what he did is just exhibit A on a very, very long list of examples. The rule of law has clearly already broken down, which means all bets are off. The fact that it's been doing so slowly over the course of decades rather than in a single coup or hypothetical night of broken glass is completely irrelevant.

Furthermore, even if the shooter is prosecuted I feel that "this was clearly in the best interest of society as a whole given the harm that the deceased was still actively inflicting on thousands of people" should be a valid legal defense.

Most jurisdictions already allow for the use of deadly force in defense of yourself or others against a perpetrator who represents a clear and present danger to the safety, health, or lives of others. This is just that, but with an extra logical extension riveted on.

Not one bell pepper. I want the executives of every health insurance company tried for war crimes. I want The Adjuster to be carried through the streets and lauded as the hero he is.

You gotta weigh the decision, on one hand he shot and killed one person, on the other hand the dude he killed was allowing sick people to die unnecessary deaths so he could get his bonus.

So it's a big old fat no from me, that's a greater good scenario.

Don't suggest to the mods that its OK to censor. We need to remind them how to do their job, not how to abuse their job

Lol Lmao Fuck no. Every day he's not found is another day that the United States is in a better position

I mean... If not for the fact that a felon is about to become President again, I would want some form of justice in the law for the assassin. A slap on the wrist, maybe. A few years in jail; definitely not life or a death sentence.

But that's just to enforce the rule of law to not embolden others to commit such crimes, even if they could easily be justified. Since that's not being enforced with an even bigger threat to the rule of law, fuck it. Shit doesn't matter anymore anyway.