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This is a good metaphor on voting. You are not the driver, you are a passenger. Your choices cannot change the route.

I love all the any means necessary people, like just vote for 5 seconds and get the damned ice cream. You don’t need to sabotage the bus, just act civilly inside the bus

Voting IMO is more like choose between a cliff and a deep pit . A failure is guaranteed, try to minimize the fall.

Not voting is lazy in most circumstances for sure. What I hate is that people equate voting third party with not voting. I'm not voting blue. Y'all can't guilt me into it. I'm voting for a third party socialist. 😏

this is why you do preferential voting

I tried in 2016 and 2020 and the dems told me to pound sand. I’m not going to be the one getting fucked by trump. Fuck around and find out.

For all the fatalists I'll bring beer so we can watch the world burn together after you've voted

political power is when you assure your leaders that there is nothing they could do to lose your vote short of fucking your mom and even then you would have to consider whether the other guy would fuck your mom worse

I'm a fan of harm reduction. There might still be harm, but it's more limited than it was previously.

It's not the whole solution and always needs further actions at the end of the day, but it's movement in the right direction.

Far better than just coasting along waiting for things to get worse.

All I see is panic. supposedly If the majority of women were pro-abortion, you wouldn't have to worry about Trump and republicans winning the next elections. women alone would flip the red states. but apparently not all women agree with abortion.

Problem. Harm reduction voting requires at least one good faith candidate.

Right now we have choice between the scenic route to go off the cliff and the express route. Electoral boycotts are effective once they reach critical mass. Telling everyone they need to vote harm reduction without a good faith candidate is just suppressing the natural tendency of a democracy to flush a bad set of leaders.

We could also use a general strike but they'll just order us back to work and call it a union victory.

counterpoint, its not either or. this is a false dichotomy the democrats created and maintain as a rhetorical device to silence dissent. i will never vote for joe biden. ill vote for.., a couple of democrats down ballot. and that is the extent of my interaction with the legitimate systems of democracy in the US. if you dont live in a swing state, the presidential race is, effectively, not real for you. this is a basic tenant of "american electoral politics" , or as I like to call it, a tenant of US Authoritarianism