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Personally, I want nothing to do with them and I'm not willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. I moved to the Fediverse to get away from all these corpos.

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[–] HealGirl@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Lmao want nothing to do with them. One of the reasons I’m here is to escape these dogshit corpos

[–] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I feel like they'll just scrape it to feed their data driven ad machine. To them it's just a free open source of data to repackage and sell.

[–] Terevos@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

In general, it's great when companies embrace standards and open source. Though in the case of Microsoft, they just did it to gain the market share (embrace, extend, extinguish).

I'm under no illusion that they would be doing it out of the kindness of their hearts or desire to be compliant with standards.

But..i also don't think I can criticize them yet for wanting to do so.

[–] Sibbo@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Embrace, extend, extinguish

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[–] qjkxbmwvz@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

For myself, I'm not a fan either. But I think it could be a very good thing for the fediverse (still not a fan of that word)


which, as I understand it, is all about choice: the ability to easily access content across the fediverse, with the ability to ignore it just as easily.

If it ends up breeding toxicity, then I'll block any subs, and possibly the whole instance†. And if it gets really bad, I'll just find a lemmy/mastodon/whatever instance that has defederated from them.

† Sounds like this maybe isn't possible yet, but is being looked at https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/2397

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[–] smokinjoe@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

They can fuck right off.

All they'll do is centralize the decentralized.

[–] pinwurm@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Makes more sense for Meta to create their own "Metaverse" than join an open-source network.

Instagram and Facebook already communicate, it won't be too difficult to include WhatsApp into that mix.

If they buy something like Mastodon, it would make better business sense to cut it off from the Federation and sync it with Meta's products instead.

[–] awderon@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Mastodon software is still open source under agpl-3. As far as I understand the license terms, every change to the software has to be open sourced. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Affero_General_Public_License)

mastodon gGmbH can still be sold, but my guess is that it wonβ€˜t be of much use to zuck.

[–] Juliie@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's really nice to hear, hopefully we can have our own little or bigger anarcho oasis without corporate greed

[–] walflour@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago
[–] Lemminary@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

They'll probably adopt, adapt, and extinguish. So no, fuck 'em.

[–] Raffster@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Same here, want really nothing to do with them. That's why I'm here.

[–] pieceofcrazy@feddit.it 1 points 1 year ago

I don't know anything about it except for what you said, but yeah fuck them. I'd much rather donate my money (well, once I get a job that is) to a bunch of people to maintain a server and simply jump on another instance if anything weird happens than use another Meta's (or any other shitty corpo's) products

[–] datavoid@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

fuck that noise, absolutely do not federate with them

[–] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If Facebook behave and their instances have good moderation, they'll be successful. If they don't, they'll get defederated and turn into some niche twitter clone echo chamber like Truth Social.

Facebook is a company with great open-source tech contributions (React, GraphQL) but absolutely awful products (Literally every social media thing they've got their hands on), which is why they are desperately trying to turn their side project Oculus into their main product. And I think they, as the original "The Social Network" company, see the writing on the wall: that they either embrace federation and decentralization, or get swept away by it into the footnote of social media history.

Now, I don't think Facebook wants to JUST run an instance where they get to control everything. I think the most likely scenario is that Facebook will offer easy managed federated instance setup hosted on their own cloud servers for less tech inclined individuals and companies in the future, and they'll rebrand it as "the actual metaverse", which will finally end their tenure as an advertising company.

[–] Crabhands@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Pros:

  • my friends join
  • larger community = more content
  • meta funding would likely contribute to fediverse growth and improvements
  • any instance can defederate them from said instance, which would mitigate almost every con

Cons:

  • Meta is evil and wants all your information to profile you and sell to other companies for profit
[–] Ministar@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People are being really hypocritical.

You want a free open source social network. But when people you dont like join it, you hate it. That is not how it works, its not how FREE in FOSS works.

Meta can join, they can do whatever they want. It literally the point of this social network. If you dont like it, then go to a social network that is not FOSS, but is heavily moderated, because that is what most of you really want.

[–] HandOfDoom@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

"Freedom" can be used to justify lots of really bad stuff. Meta has too much money to be trusted, they WILL fuck the Fediverse up eventually for more profit on the first chance they get (and people with lots of money always get those chances).

And it's not just about morality and the fucked up stuff that's happened on Meta, Iike the Cambridge Analytica scandal. I stopped using Facebook years ago because of the low quality of the content being posted there. And last week I logged back in to sell some stuff and oh boy, the content managed to get even worse.

I don't want growth just for the sake of growth. We don't need big corporations getting involved.

[–] Singletona@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I view them embracing federation as a good thing.

I also view it as important for the instances I wish to follow to never federate with them.

[–] Nougat@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Can you personally block content from specified instances, for your own user? That would do it for me just fine.

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[–] Izzgo@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But is it even possible for a mega corporation to embrace federation? Isn't that essentially a contradiction in terms?

[–] fear@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

It's the kind of embrace a boa constrictor wants to have with a rabbit. The answer always needs to be no.

[–] demvoter@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To paraphrase from a bank robber - Meta is where the users are. If we want open source technology to grow, we need to have users. If you block Meta out of the gate, how do you get their users to transition? IMO, energy should be spent on strategizing how to get the users to transition to open source instances, not getting people riled up to block them immediately.

[–] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They will datamine any instance that federates with them. They have had so many privacy issues it would be insane to give them the benefit of the doubt again. A leopard can't change its spots.. Not to mention the NSA docs & Cambridge Analytica.

They have proven themselves to be a hostile actor on the Internet.

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