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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 27 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Hmmm... 🤔

"states have a right of self-defense, under Article 4, Section 4 and Article 1, Section 10, Clause 3 of the U.S. Constitution."

https://constitutioncenter.org/the-constitution/full-text

Article 4, Section 4:

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence."

I don't see a) anything there that defines "invasion" or b) grants the states the power to act if the United States chooses not to.

Article 1, Section 10, Clause 3:

"Section 10: Powers Denied to the States

No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay."

Again, "invaded".

It's pretty clear from section 10, since it's also speaking of troops, ships of war, and engaging in war that it means MILITARY invasion, not an influx of citizen refugees.

Dictionaries at the time back up that reading:

https://mises.org/wire/what-did-founders-mean-invasion

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

biden should call the bluff and ask the house and senate to release texas from the union under the condition it compensates the US for any federal land and supplies.

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[–] jasonwherbst@sh.itjust.works 26 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

No. Please. Don't. Go.

Oh well.

[–] Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 10 months ago (2 children)

So all federal money cut off.

But wait, doesn't Texas pay more than they received?

Yes, but let's really look at this. Military and veterans don't get paid. Oil confiscated by the Navy stationed on both the East and West coast. Any company with a federal account closes down bc Texas doesn't pay the same. Massive border to protect against a reunification force.

I think they change their mind in a split second.

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[–] Thteven@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago

Texas is a drag on our society. I say say cut em loose.

[–] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago

Can I apply for refugee status and move to a state not run by this sociopath?

[–] Mossheart@lemmy.ca 23 points 10 months ago (10 children)

Hypothetical from a non American. Let's say Texas DOES secede. What happens to the citizenship of the Americans in Texas? Do they lose it? Do they have to leave Texas in X days to keep it? Can it even be revoked? Should it?

If they kept it, would they need to still declare their taxes, as US citizens must pay tax on international income?

[–] n0m4n@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

They would become a territory, like Puerto Rico. They would still have citizenship and the benefits of citizenship, such as they would still have taxes. But would not vote in presidential elections, and their representatives would get no vote.

It is the best of all worlds. /$

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[–] oxjox@lemmy.ml 23 points 10 months ago

This guy, these people, are so thick headed.

The court ruled that the border patrol officers have the constitutional authority to move some razor wire in some areas (this case mentions 2.5 miles) because it's in their way of apprehending people trying to get over the boarder - actually, people who have already set foot on US soil.

This is going to turn into some big thing because Abbot would rather let immigrants die in the river than permit border patrol to capture them.

[–] OrangeJoe@lemm.ee 22 points 10 months ago (2 children)

There's way too many people in here that either don't know the difference between succession and secession, or don't know how to spell, or just were too lazy to look at what they were typing or what was being autocorrected.

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[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Again? Texas does this almost every election cycle and they aren't dumb enough to try it. Or maybe they are. That'd be a show.

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[–] eddanja@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Old guy who is only getting older wants to dictate so that he has some sort of legacy.

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[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I’m not suggesting that someone should disable the brakes on his wheelchair and then roll him into the street, but were he to be rolled into the street with no brakes, I wouldn’t be surprised.

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[–] Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 19 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Can the people of Texas recall their governor? Has to be a lot of them unhappy with this clown.

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[–] recapitated@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Let them go and remove their risk from the power grid.

[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I believe Texas has its own power grid. Also, still, let them go.

[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Am Texan. Am American. Love being both, and so do most of my neighbors. We aren’t seceding, and Abbott is an asshole of the highest proportion.

Also, we do have our own power grid. It sucks and nearly kills us on a regular basis. That’s Abbott’s fault too.

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[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

No. Fuck that. They want to leave the Union? FUCKING LEAVE TEXAS. Texas, the land belongs to us.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 18 points 10 months ago

How's Trump's electoral math work out without Texas in the union?

[–] m3t00@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

Tx threatens secession every other day. why does he wear boots. js

[–] Kushia@lemmy.ml 17 points 10 months ago

Dog whistle to his supporters, that's all.

If they actually tried anything they'd be snuffed out pretty fast.

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 17 points 10 months ago

I want to say it'll never happen, but they may not be so good at paying attention to prevailing trends. If Texit happens I'll be watching with a big bowl of popcorn.

Willy Wonka: Stop. Don't. Come back.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Go for it, Abbott. Let's see your beloved Texas Rangers go up against satellite-guided drone bombers.

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[–] the_q@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

Do it. Go on.

[–] Pacmanlives@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Cool, let’s pull back their federal funding and see how things go

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[–] SaltySalamander@kbin.social 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Please, try it. I dare you, Abbott.

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[–] Twentytwodividedby7@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

They know federal law supercedes state law, right?

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[–] PeckerBrown@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Get rid of Ted Cruz and we'll take you more seriously, chucklefuck.

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago
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