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I feel like things on Lemmy were pretty chill several months ago, and that’s started to change.

People used to talk each other like they would talk to a neighbor. Now I get the sense that people have become quick to be negative, attack, and not be constructive.

Am I crazy in feeling like the vibe has changed?

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[–] OpenStars@startrek.website 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It has gotten worse and it will only continue to do so. There are people who are respectful and hold back their darkest impulses, but there are others who choose to hold those same features in high regard, as literal virtues in their eyes. Blocking hexbear and lemmygrad has helped my own peace of mind immensely, but you would not want to block lemmy.ml or lemmy.world or such so... here we are.

I do not really see any permanent solution to this problem, short of eternal vigilance. That's just nature though, e.g. viruses constantly evolve and seek new hosts, hence hosts that do not keep up die, there's no way around needing to keep up defenses against such a tireless onslaught. Similarly for information vs. misinformation too, it seems:-(.

It has also gotten much harder to have any discussion with even the tiniest hint of subtlety on the Fediverse - is Biden/Linux/socialism/religion good or bad? "Yes." For some of us, knowing what will happen - the flood of toxic responses I mean - if we dare to speak up is enough to cause us to cringe enough that we would simply rather stay silent instead. If only the opposing side were like that too! But no, they elect not to hold their own tongues, even while expecting YOU to hold yours. That too seems just the nature of the universe.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

if we dare to speak up is enough to cause us to cringe enough that we would simply rather stay silent instead.

It's a different kind of Chilling Effect. It reduces conversation, because it convinces some people to not become involved at all.

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[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago (3 children)

People here realize that narratives have consequences and know we can't just live in la-la land where everyone is happy all the time. I mean yeah you can do that but then don't be surprised pikachu face when you find yourself in the company of neo-nazis who are doing the same.

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[–] gnutrino@programming.dev 8 points 10 months ago

People used to talk each other like they would talk to a neighbor.

You should ask a police officer how some neighbours talk to each other...

[–] ElderWendigo@sh.itjust.works 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I posted a cookie recipe in response to a cookie meme, got roasted for not converting baking units to science units. So yeah, people are getting kinda aggressive.

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[–] rabiddolphin@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

I'll downvote all of you

The number of trolls is going to increase as the user base increases.

Plus, you get the same negative effects of the echo chambers like Reddit did, but I think the communities being so small amplifies the effect.

[–] exocrinous@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Before it was toxic positivity. The veneer has broken down now that people aren't trying their best to bring over reddit refugees, and the ugly underneath is visible.

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[–] jacktherippah@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

OMG, yes! I've been running into so many rude/toxic comments lately. For me it feels like this place is devolving into Reddit again.

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[–] Lath@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago

Yes. Yes you are.
This vibe has been here from the start. But it was kept at bay by defederating left and right from "troublemakers".
Problem is actual troublemakers don't care where they are. All they have to do is make a new account and keep on troubling.
So all the isolation managed to do is slow down the conflict, make it less visible. And it worked too.
Yet you can't stop the fighting, not for long anyway.

We have to fight, have to make drama. Peaceful living is too boring all the time.

[–] boywar3@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Never forget the way the human brain works, with the more common interpretation being: "it takes 7 instances of positive things to outweigh 1 negative."

For my part I haven't really noticed any difference, but I only infrequently comment!

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