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[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 100 points 11 months ago (3 children)

It is cheaper to operate and that has been it's selling point for the last years.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 156 points 11 months ago (6 children)

In case you're ever wondering, this is an example of your tax dollars at work. Thirty years ago solar and wind generation had to be heavily subsidized with government grants to make them viable in the energy market. Now the technology of both has advanced to the point that it's undercutting all of the other forms of electricity generation, without subsidization.

Government subsidies work. They're effective for getting new technologies off the ground.

[–] Pretzilla@lemmy.world 41 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Good thing we still subsidize petroleum

Good for the oil companies and legislators they own, anyway

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[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 34 points 11 months ago (2 children)

They are great. As long as they don’t end up like corn.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 34 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Or oil and coal, propping up bad energy sources while the clean ones have to often fend for themselves and compete against the subsidies.

[–] F_Haxhausen@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Or oil and corn and meat and dairy.

[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

The four elements of power.

[–] p1mrx@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago

Solar PV tortillas taste awful and hurt my teeth.

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[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago (3 children)

It is now. But only after we invested in it.

This is a great example of investing in tech even when it’s not practical in the present day. It can pay off later down the line.

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[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 45 points 11 months ago (27 children)

This is economics now, not politics. US can go full crazy Trump, but the grid will just keep getting greener as greener is cheapest. He can rant and rave about global warming being a conspiracy or anything else, but it's unstoppable now.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The infuriating thing to me is, renewable energy is often extremely independent. It means no reliance on foreign oil. That SHOULD be the most American thing, especially for those in the GOP who claim to be anti-government.

Goes to remind you their main product is hypocrisy.

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[–] Darkhoof@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No, the grid won't get greener if Trump is elected because he WILL go full dictator. And he will revert everything that is being done currently.

[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

He'll struggle to make states to buy more expensive energy. If he managed, he'd put the state at a global disadvantage. Even then, he'd have to outlaw solar to stop people installing it at home.

[–] zbyte64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 10 months ago (4 children)

That's what tanking the EPA is for. Without any oversight of externalities, dirty energy becomes cheaper.

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[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 34 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's a very cool article, I didn't know the US was actually making the change so quickly.

Weirdest part of the article is the included pie chart from the US Energy Information Agency showing the usage of different types of energy, but the entire pie is orange, like every slice of different energy is orange.

They need one art guy, just one.

[–] themoken@startrek.website 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I didn't mind the pie chart, the slices are labeled clearly, no need to use coloring like you have to read a legend.

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[–] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work 32 points 11 months ago (9 children)

Image Hmmm... This pie needs more nuclear.

[–] GooseFinger@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (11 children)

Why? Nuclear power is the most complex and expensive option of any clean energy source from what I know.

[–] Eximius@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

And yet, after many decades of solar, wind construction. It is the energy source in that pie chart that is sizeable (just as much as all wind and solar) and extremely stable (probably for the last 50 years), without any major construction in the past 30 years minimum.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 4 points 11 months ago

Wind/solar only ramped up in the last 10 years, not decades. That's when they got cheap. Really cheap. It's nuclear that had a huge head start.

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[–] clayj9@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

'Natural' gas is just gas. It's not a clean emission free fuel. It's better than coal but by no means a clean fuel.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

It has about half the carbon emissions of coal. Much much better, but no where close to clean.

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[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Also needs less coal.

And after that less natural gas, but getting rid of coal should be the higher priority as it is the greater polluting fuel.

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[–] ImmaculateTaste@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 25 points 11 months ago (6 children)
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[–] ieightpi@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

It's better than nothing. Hopefully we can speed this up in next couple of years.

[–] ALilOff@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

That’s actually better than I thought.

In my city they had everyone switch to renewable energy, they sent Mail out stating that your energy source will automatically change unless you opt out.

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[–] eya@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 11 months ago (7 children)
[–] Meowoem@sh.itjust.works 9 points 11 months ago

There's a lot if you look for it, recent developments in tidal are incredibly positive and we're absolutely going to see a rapid uptake in marine electrification as existing technology progresses through the market. Most people never really think about the resources used and pollution caused by small boats but one of the big destructive forces at play is the infrastructure requirements - small boats need big boats to supply their fuel stations.

Transitioning away from this system and instead using costal tidal generators to charge electric ferries and barges could be a total game changer in many areas, especially many of the highly trafficked and polluted tidal basins like in north Brazil, Nigeria, or island clusters like in the Philippines. Also the intercoastal waterways around the US and other leisure spots.

We're making great progress in many areas and I really think it's important to acknowledge this and cheer it on least we get so caught in a false sense of doom that we just give up.

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[–] crsu@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Great except the military pollutes more than 140 countries and there are several wars ongoing. If you really want the climate to stop we need to reel in the international shipping industry, the fashion industry, and also the global war machine.

[–] weeeeum@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

You also have to admit that the US covers for most of the worlds military. Most of nato and many Asian allies have very low defense spending, because the US will cover them. Most of the time when there is a global crisis or localized crisis the US is involved in one way or another.

[–] NekoKamiGuru@ttrpg.network 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This makes electric cars less polluting with every passing day as this percentage increases.

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[–] Eikov@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

That's very surprising, in a good way.

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