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[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 188 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Honestly at this point there are only a handful of headlines that cover about 90% of news stories:
-Young people 'choose' lifestyle choice that was forced upon them by external conditions.
-Young people are 'killing industry' that they are not paid enough to even dream of participating in.
-Rich person/people found guilty of or admitted to enormous crime will go unpunished.
-Someones totally unqualified opinion on a subject that we're reporting as news because they're rich.
-World ending, shareholders rejoice.

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Rich people doing stupid things with money because they aren’t being taxed like they should so that the economy actually can survive.

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[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 100 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"Why aren't the poors having more workers??" - the same people continually reducing the status and security of the working class

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[–] theblueredditrefugee@lemmy.dbzer0.com 100 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 79 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)
  • low wages
  • no unions
  • housing is either a lifetime's savings for down payment on mortgage or a never ending escalator of rent fees
  • states taking reproductive rights away
  • states threatening contraception
  • climate change dooming the future
  • war - war in ukraine, war in palestine, war in africa, civil war being threatened by the chud down the street

Gee Mr Wizard, why don't millennials want babies instead of avocado toast?

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[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 89 points 11 months ago (2 children)

they arent choosing it.

They are being forced into it because its the only fucking way to have a chance at NOT being homeless and crippled.

[–] TK420@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago

Oh no, make no mistake, I chose it.

However, even if I wanted them, how the fuck does one even afford them?

[–] Plopp@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Don't get it twisted, many of us absolutely chose to not have kids because we don't want them.

[–] Angry_Maple@sh.itjust.works 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

You can both be right, you know. Many of us also agree with what this person was saying.

I used to want kids. I will refuse to have kids unless I can afford them, and until I can GUARANTEE that their human rights won't be stripped away by the whims of stupid people who are completely disconnected from reality. I won't bring a new life into a world that's rushing towards climate oblivion, either.

I'll sterilize myself before I'm ever forced to have kids.

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[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 80 points 11 months ago (13 children)

Less of a choice and more of a survival tactic. Plus, my foregone children would thank me.

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[–] M500@lemmy.ml 62 points 11 months ago (14 children)

My wife finally are in a point where we can afford to have children, but we are kinda getting a bit old to have children. So we are also choosing the dual income no children life style,

But a big part of that is our age and how long it took to get to a comfortable place financially.

Now we want to focus on saving for a house and retirement.

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[–] Treczoks@lemm.ee 61 points 11 months ago

What choice do they have if kids are basically unaffordable?

[–] AwkwardTurtle@lemmy.world 59 points 11 months ago (15 children)

Because we can't afford our own lives, how are we supposed to support children? Not even taking into account for how absolutely fucked we all are. Our planet is dying, how can we bring children into this world if it's all falling apart?

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[–] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 58 points 11 months ago (2 children)

“When we advise clients about having children, we honestly don’t even give them the full real details and the real numbers,” said Shannon McLay, founder of The Financial Gym. “It’s one of those things if you see the math of it all, it might make you decide to not have children.”

what a whole generation of pulling the ladder up behind you will do to a society. Party of family values doing everything they possibly can to destroy familes.

[–] Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 42 points 11 months ago (1 children)

In other words, "we trick our clients who paid us for financial advice into having children they can't afford".

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[–] Szymon@lemmy.ca 56 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Gee, it's almost like it's important for the long term success of society to have systems in place that make sure it's not a burden to create new people to take over for your generation after their bodies are too old and broken to keep working and society functioning.

Then again, the decisions have already been made by the people with the power to make them, and technology/automation are in line to replace workers. They'll be a little loud and problematic until the numbers naturally even themselves out, but we'll be left with an enlightened society of capitalist asset owners being supported by a massive technological network.

[–] Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca 17 points 11 months ago (5 children)

It would be a shame if a new Luddite movement came and broke the machines putting humans out of work they want to do.

Or give us a universal basic income and let humans do what they want to do to make themselves happy while the machines do all the work.

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[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 56 points 11 months ago (8 children)
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[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 48 points 11 months ago (3 children)
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[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 47 points 11 months ago (3 children)

What could rasing a child cost? 10$?

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[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 47 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Why the fuck would I want to subject my own children to the inevitability of human suffering? I'm not going to make the same mistake my parents made.

If the world collapses because there are no more children, I'll consider it my greatest accomplishment before ending it all on my own terms.

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[–] vladmech@lemmy.world 45 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Living that DINK life and still having trouble keeping out of debt. I can't imagine having to cover for kids, too.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

choosing

Is doing so much heavy lifting in that headline.

Might as well be "More Titanic passengers choosing life rafts to ocean liners"

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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 42 points 11 months ago

Friend of mine wanted kids. Can't afford it. Both her and her partner work full time, though money was too tight for them to feel comfortable. It's heartbreaking, really.

[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 38 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

"choosing".

Articles like this are not for you and me. These are written for investors.

[–] ExfilBravo@lemmy.world 37 points 11 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Aceofspades@lemmy.ca 29 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I already have two kids. Is it too late to adopt this lifestyle?

[–] mrbaby@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Sounds like 4 incomes to me!

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[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago (10 children)

I'm over here single income double kids. Opps lol

[–] creamed_eels@toast.ooo 21 points 11 months ago

Why can’t I have no kids and three money?!

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[–] negativeyoda@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago (11 children)

Don't mind me. I'm the weirdo that legit loves being a parent.

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[–] Lennnny@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I was lucky to get sterilized in Tennessee (pre RvW), and I'm absolutely hyped about it. I never felt maternal, and the feeling disappeared even more as I heard the 'discussions' about women's 'rights'. The more I was made to feel like a next gen's workforce factory , the more I realized a life of free time and savings was much more desirable.

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[–] Syo@kbin.social 27 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

This is similar to the "correlation doesn't equal causation" fallacy.

Dual income and no kids, is due to the prospect of cost of living and raising a family out pacing income. Housing, vehicle, child care, tuition, are all the items pricing middle class out of options.

DINK is not a choice, if anything, it's more the result of not having the luxury to choose.

[–] Bbbbbbbbbbb@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Nah dude, not having children is definitely a choice and is becoming more and more common

[–] Alto@kbin.social 36 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I think there's a very solid argument to be made that far fewer would be making that choice if the future didn't look bleak as hell. I would at least consider having kids if I thought there was a better than not chance that the world I leave them will be better than the one I was given.

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[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago (2 children)

"But we need your children to grow up and produce product and more children so that we can continue the cycle of funneling the value they create into the pockets of our society's most wealthy and well connected!"

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[–] NewAgeOldPerson@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago

I very much enjoy the lifestyle that comes with it. It's less stress overall. And it's not exactly a fun place (current state of the world) for me to want to bring a mini me into.

[–] ZeroDrek@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago

I’ll bet my life savings it isn’t a choice for most….its a necessity these days.

[–] AgentGrimstone@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago

We're completely happy being uncle and auntie

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago

Just the thought of having to be responsible for a child's welfare in this day and age would send my blood pressure through the roof.

[–] Pretzilla@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago

Bummer when my friends now don't have kids. It robs me of the schadenfreude while they enjoy their childfree blissful and carefree lives.

[–] steeznson@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago

This actually was a choice that my partner and I discussed before we got married. I have lived a charmed life but my mental health still is not great despite that; hard to justify creating another version of myself whose life experiences are fairly likely to be worse than mine.

Additionally my brother-in-law requires additional support. He's an adult with learning difficulties and is unable to work. Eventually he'll need to come and live with us once old relatives have passed away.

My father was infertile but they elected to go for a sperm donor so that I would have the option to choose whether I wanted to have kids of my own. In theory they could have made me with IVF but I would have likely been infertile too. I hope I'm not letting him down but I remind myself that he was giving me the option to choose as opposed to some kind of mandate to procreate.

[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago (2 children)
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[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

I am a father. If you don't want kids please please don't have them. Whatever residual guilt or obligation you are operating under I ask you to purge from your system. The world has enough problems without bringing kids into it that you don't want to raise. Being a parent is hard enough for people like me who want and continue to want to do it, I can't imagine how much worse it will be for a person who doesn't or didn't want.

Yes it is true to one extent almost all parents are rising to the occasion. No one is fully ready and there is never a perfect time. But this is a retrocon. Just because you can figure out something and muddle through doesn't mean you should have to be in that position to begin with.

Again please please do not reproduce if you are unwilling or unable to raise those kids. Leave the task to people who want to. If you still feel some guilt, for whatever reason, go look at some parent in your life and offer to help them with any little task. Even if it is just sitting on their couch playing with your cellphone while they can run out and buy groceries.

[–] ZombieTheZombieCat@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I always feel cheated as an asexual/aromantic person. We shouldn't be forced to live with roommates for the rest of our lives just because we don't want to get married, which isn't really a choice, it's just our orientation like anyone else's. It's also so much harder when neurodivergence and/or social anxiety is an issue.

No one should be forced to get married or have roommates (or both) just to keep a roof over their heads. Everyone is entitled to have a little bit of privacy and comfort in their lives, especially if they work hard for it.

I can't believe I feel like I have to justify the desire for a studio apartment with no roommates.

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