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[–] Quicky@lemm.ee 214 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Agree this is bullshit, but at least there’s a Reject All button which is far more than we probably would have got prior to the introduction of GDPR.

[–] mypasswordis1234@lemmy.world 68 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

reject() { accept(); } accept() { sendData(); }

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 32 points 1 year ago

If they did that, the EU would be on their heels.

You can bet they have been wary ever since the IE debacle.

[–] yum@lemmy.eco.br 13 points 1 year ago

Funny you say that. When I received this popup I noticed that hovering the mouse over one option, also highlights the other. Not suspicious at all!

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 186 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I went on a site the other day, and a massive popup appeared before I could do anything.

"We Respect Your Privacy"

1200+ "data partners".

Big blue "Accept" button.

Yeah, no you don't.

[–] AWittyUsername@lemmy.world 72 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"We value your privacy... At about $10,000"

[–] Etienne_Dahu@jlai.lu 23 points 1 year ago

Oh no, more about $2

[–] bigFab@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

Big brown 'Eat 💩' button

[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 135 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wait until the EU tells them (funny enough that their own lawyers didn't tell them?) that they are required to name each party specifically and together with the specific purpose of their data sharing.

[–] moriquende@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago (6 children)

They probably do in "Manage preferences". Stuff you can give to an intern to accomplish has never been a deterrent.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's not what it's there for. It's not supposed to be a deterrent. The rule is there to be informative.

Think about what would happen if one of their partners was the police or the government. That would give them some pretty deep access that you may not want them to have.

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[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 121 points 1 year ago (1 children)

766 third parties

Facebook: look what they need to mimic a fraction of my power

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Facebook: "All third parties"

[–] tias@discuss.tchncs.de 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"How many third parties?"

"Yes."

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 16 points 1 year ago

You know any third parties? Could you give them this copy of your data, thanks.

[–] bleistift2@feddit.de 70 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Outlook also sends all your email, including those from other accounts, to their cloud. No questions asked. Oh, also your password, because why not?

https://cybernews.com/privacy/new-outlook-copies-user-emails-to-microsoft-cloud/

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 33 points 1 year ago

Mails, passwords, calendars and contacts. Basically everything. Here's another blog article: https://mailbox.org/en/post/warning-new-outlook-sends-passwords-mails-and-other-data-to-microsoft

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[–] elias_griffin@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago

Also, it's the language scam of the decade to have a [privacy] agreement or terms with a "third party" which is basically anonymous/anyone/indeterminate/changing/.

[–] mojo@lemm.ee 55 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Literally who would knowingly accept that

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 83 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I've been a software developer for nearly 25 years now, and I can tell you this.

No cunt reads anything.

Something pops up over the top of what they want, they'll click OK.

[–] AnAngryAlpaca@feddit.de 22 points 1 year ago

With dark patterns you can "guide" the user to click a particular button, for example by having "accept" in a large, bright stand out colored button, and the "reject" button in a low contrast, small or disabled looking button.

This will not prevent people from clicking reject, but it shifts the percentage of people clicking accept vs reject in the websites favor.

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 year ago

As the spouse of an inpatient person who doesn’t like tech, you’re completely correct.

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[–] Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Being as I'm forced to use outlook for work... At least it's just my work persona they are tracking and selling? That guy is wild.

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[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 46 points 1 year ago (1 children)

At least there's a "Reject all" button.

[–] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 69 points 1 year ago (6 children)

God can you imagine.

768 collapsed areas for each one. You have to expand that area and click the small slider with a 3 second UI freeze each time you do.

Then at the end when you click apply, you get a spinning wheel with "Applying your choices" that seems like it has timed out.

[–] JustMy2c@lemm.ee 32 points 1 year ago

Of course I can imagine, I ve used windows for thirty years now.

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[–] phorq@lemmy.ml 42 points 1 year ago

They'll write "you're welcome" on your bathroom mirror when they track that you're in the shower.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago (14 children)

All MS software should be considered spyware.

It's just a shame that Outlook doesn't really have an alternative with the same level of functionality (not without spending a while adding on a bunch of add-ons anyway), and many workplaces (including mine) enforce use of Outlook and other MS software.

[–] dojan@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Honestly don't mind when workplaces enforce X or Y. It's not like any of my personal stuff goes on the work equipment anyway, nor is work stuff going on my personal equipment.

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[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 17 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Don’t worry there actively working on making outlook as functional as the alternatives.

The “new version” appears like the browser version in a wrapper. So many features are just missing, like pinning a shared mailbox to your favorites.

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[–] 0x2d@lemmy.ml 36 points 1 year ago (14 children)

lol, glad i switched from outlook to protonmail

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[–] EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Libreoffice? Open office? Thunderbird? Proton unlimited with its calendar?

[–] helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Cooperate uses what ever other cooperate uses

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[–] finestnothing@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Fun fact! If you have outlook on your phone with a work account added, chances are IT has admin access to your phone and can remotely wipe it at any time. Also means that your phone can be collected as evidence if you or the company is involved in a court case possibly related to emails

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ok I've tested this with some users that definitely do have their work emails on their private phones and I can't see what this setting is. Are you sure about this, it seems super dodgy?

[–] tankplanker@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Modern way of doing it is via intune: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/mem/intune/remote-actions/devices-wipe

You can force registration of the device before they can access the environment, and you can enforce all sorts of things.

[–] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is device management and isn't something that is the default, or comes with Outlook.

A less intrusive method is application management which gives the company control to wipe the account, not the device.

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[–] Rootiest@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just put your work apps in your Work profile.

That's exactly why Android has this function, so they can only remotely access/wipe that profile. Everything in that profile is kept segregated from the rest of the system.

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[–] Smokeydope@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Thats gross. Just no. Use thunderbird or some other FOSS email client, at least outlook is somewhat limited with its spyware BS when you get mail through IMAP

Im tired of telling windows people something they already know. Its your choice to use a completely corporate cucked operating system for your personal computing, you don't get to clutch pearls and act suprised over it being complete spyware, or whenever microsoft decides it wants to erode your user experience just a little bit more because they can.

[–] bigFab@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I tried using thunderbird for work MS email, but TB seem to be in the blacklist of my company (a professional school btw).

It popped me to ask for one time permission from the administrators and I did. They answered me 'TB is not YET trustable by them'. The incident is still 'in progress' after 10 months.

Then I found Ao. Pure gold.

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[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Astongt615@lemmy.one 22 points 1 year ago

Is this the new Metric to Imperial Windows conversion?

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[–] profdc9@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's a wonder how Outlook and Exchange Server are used by most companies, many of which have sensitive confidential and proprietary data. Choosing Microsoft is all about having someone to blame for your security problems, not achieving secure communications and storage.

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[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 1 year ago

That then is one third party, one fourth party, one fifth party, …, and one 768th party, amirite?

[–] thanks_shakey_snake@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Oh well as long as it's their legitimate interest, then by all means!

[–] lemann@lemmy.one 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Admiral Ads: We value your privacy
Me: Reject All
Admiral Ads: Some parties cannot be rejected due to LeGiTiMaTe InTeReStS
Me: my legitimate interests are PiHole and uBO then 🙃

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