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[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 72 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Argentina: "We're not fucked enough at the moment. Let's get even more fucked!"

[–] telllos@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Well when things aren't going well, people vote far rights, the have the simple answers. People love simple solutions for complex problems.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Doesn't even require things to be universally bad. As long as there's substantial apathy about the status quo and enlightened centrists going on about "both parties being the same", the far right just needs a few disaffected groups.

[–] DudeDudenson@lemmings.world 0 points 1 year ago

Tell me then, who would you vote in this situation?

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[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 70 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Far-right conservatives and facists have found quite the successful tactic for getting into power and getting their ways on public referenda: it's called lying and misrepresentation.

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[–] Vub@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A guy that looks like Austin Powers but is actually a 4chan neonazi. Argentine is completely falling apart, this will not end well for them.

It’s also interesting how the people get constantly humiliated by neoliberalism in the modern gig economy but still vote for the (even more) extreme right, which with 100% certainty will destroy their lives even more. It’s like begging your abuser to continue.

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[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is this the figure with a médium to talk with his dead dog?

[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Yep, he is the one

[–] jmsy@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He's a horrible, idiotic, person but at least there will be some interesting economic and political studies to follow.

[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Argentina sure is dedicated to help economics science study

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 5 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


During this weekend’s presidential election in Argentina, he will make a starkly different choice, and back Javier Milei, a far-right libertarian trumpeting socially conservative culture war issues and explosive proposals to reshape Argentine society.

Polls indicate almost 50 percent of voters 29 and younger back Milei, the wild-haired outsider and self-described “anarcho-capitalist” who inveighs against traditional politicians, branding them as members of a “caste” that must be done away with.

It’s also a reactionary impulse: There is a strong backlash against pandemic-era restrictions, which helped popularize Milei’s anti-establishment rhetoric, and a spate of recent progressive wins in Argentina, including a momentous bill that legalized abortion in 2020.

What started out as a youth movement powering Milei’s campaign has now widened to include groups of all ages, all across the country — Stuchi called it a process of “intergenerational contagion” with people like him working to sway over older relatives.

She says the traditional center-left and center-right candidates in this election are so inexorably linked to the economic mismanagement at the origin of the ongoing crisis that it’s as though they were “invisible” to many young voters, leaving only Milei as a viable option.

Milei’s signature proposal to curb inflation — dollarization — is viewed by experts as likely unworkable, in part because of how few greenbacks are left in the central bank’s coffers.


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[–] JonOst@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

the term far right libertarian makes no sense.....

[–] dewritoninja@pawb.social 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Libertarianism is a far right ideology

[–] chaogomu@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It wasn't always.

It was a left wing ideology until an American fascist co-opted the term for his own brand of rightwing nonsense.

[–] JesterXIII@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I can't really see Ayn Rand as anything other than far right, and that's about as OG libertarian as you get. Free market, unfettered capitalism.

[–] meeeeetch@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

She's only OG if you disregard the fifty some odd years of the word libertarian referring to anarchists like Emma Goldman. Back before Murray Rothbard hijacked the term.

[–] Evilcoleslaw@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

At this point I kind of agree that it's pointless to argue about it as the word's connotations have already changed.

But again the Ayn Rand as a Libertarian is still viewing the word through the altered meaning that rose to prominence in the US. Previous to that change it indeed was a wing of anarchism, a left-wing ideology.

[–] PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Not really. It's fairly libertarian for sure, but she was a war hawk and in favor of IP laws.

[–] psychothumbs@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

The word libertarian was used to mean something more leftist before that term was claimed by the modern America right wing libertarian movement, but that movement was never anything but a catspaw for right wing oligarchs.

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[–] DudeDudenson@lemmings.world -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Jesus why is Lemmy so leftist when it's literally an anti intervention platform. Most of you circle jerking about liberal = bad don't understand what it's like to have your first world country turned into another Venezuela in less than one lifetime because of populist leftists governments that just take public rights as an excuse to gain popularity contests and ransack the fucking country.

Milei is not a good option no, but the others options literally fucked us all the way into 50% poverty and 130% anual Inflation solely trough government spending and taking away all economical liberties trough taxes.

Just take a look at how many dollar exchange rates we have and how we pay 120% in taxes for anything not national (which is practically everything) despite the fact that people have salaries that are 10x lower than that of any developed country

You guys sit in your high horse in a first world country complaining how "everything has gone to shit" and think the same rules and logic apply to anywhere else but you're sadly mistaken.

Edit: If the US applied all the policies Argentina currently has in place you'd think the fucking apocalypse happened and you'd be calling leftists fucking Nazis

[–] seliaste@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Could you please explain further what does it mean to be an "anti-intervention platform" and why lemmy is one?

[–] tanvi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think what they meant is that Lemmy doesn't have that kind of pull where the users can bring about a change/reversal of political movements.

Also, the anti-intervention platform probably is about the increased skepticism about neo-liberalism policies here (at least since I've joined).

[–] seliaste@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

But if neoliberalism is the deregulation of the market, why being skeptical of it would be "anti intervention" when it is what neoliberalism is about (the government not intervening in the economical apects)

[–] DudeDudenson@lemmings.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I ment in the sense of this platform existing to avoid outside intervention. Or am I mistaken in thinking the whole point of a federated system is to avoid corporate and political intervention allowing a "truly" flee platform?

[–] seliaste@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago

Federated social medias were made in order to regive the power to the user away from the corporations more interested in making profit than keeping their userbase happy. This is quite leftist if you ask me. Indeed it also reduces the power that a government has on a platform, as centralization makes it easier to control, but this wasn't the main goal. Just like linux, or FOSS in general

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