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I am just curious because I had it off for a long time but have recently started to opt back in because I am too lazy to report every single bug I encounter when browsing the web but I do want to see Mozilla improve Firefox.

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[–] Synthead@lemmy.ml 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

On a side note, I would appreciate it if it was opt-in. Ask when the profile is being set up. Don't be sneaky about it. I understand that this means less metrics for Mozilla, but consent is more important, imo.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yup, I would probably opt-in if that was how it was presented, but since it's opt-out, I go out of my way to opt-out. Privacy should be the default.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

That's where I am too. I'm usually quite willing to allow telemetry for an important project, but having to turn it off if I want it off just makes me not trust it. So I turn it off

[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Same, although from my work I also know that it's entirely impractical to do opt-in if it is about user interaction data. You need specifically the data of those users that neither interact with opt-out nor opt-in prompts, meaning you get their data if it's opt-out but will never get it when it's opt-in.

The reason those are the important ones is that your power users will already tell you about their interactions and ideas and ires. Metrics for them is interesting, but not actually as required. You need the data of the (silent) majority to judge how your application is actually being used by most.

[–] bemenaker@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I leave it on. I'm happy to send them info to make their browser better. I have supported them since the Netscape days. Fight the good fight

[–] MagneticFusion@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Now that is true loyalty

[–] Shortstack@reddthat.com 18 points 1 year ago

Firefox is the only thing I leave the analytics reports on, at least for things that give you that choice.

I’ve been on the Firefox ride for a decade and a half and it’s been good to me(with the right addons anyway) so i help them out by letting them have that data.

[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

I have interaction data on.

Why wouldn't I? I want the devs to know how the browser is being actually used so they can make decisions about what to improve on. Cannot do that without enough data.

[–] Lightning66@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Yes I leave it on. And that's by choice.

Yeah it's a privacy issue. But I want firefox to get better. And data to the devs is what helps.

[–] NENathaniel@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 year ago

Yea I leave it on. As others have said, I'm willing to donate some data in hopes it will help improve the data long-term

[–] ProtonBadger@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago

I leave it on, I'm proud to help the last independent browser engine we have working for a truly open web. The telemetry data is available for you to sift through here: https://telemetry.mozilla.org/

[–] happyhippo@feddit.it 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My rule is quite simple.

Open source -> telemetry on

Else -> off

Examples: KDE, Firefox

[–] MagneticFusion@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

That is generally how I see it as well

My DNS Blocks that anyway lol

[–] Vuipes@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

I have it enabled at work, but disabled at home (where it's pihole blocked).

[–] Gxost@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I enabled everything but personalized extension recommendations. I want Mozilla to know how the browser is used, so they can improve it based on statistics rather than their assumptions.

[–] MagneticFusion@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Yup that is what I have it on as well

[–] Artopal@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I have always opted in.

[–] KazuyaDarklight@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago
[–] gamey@feddit.rocks 1 points 1 year ago

I don't trust Mozilla enough to opt in, they are certainly better than Google as a company but that's not a very high bar!

[–] jet@hackertalks.com -5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't. I stopped fiddling with firefox long ago. The fact they kept rolling out privacy hostile features made them similar to chrome from my perspective. So I just used chrome for a few years as it was faster. In the last two years I got into Arkenfox and did the necessary for that, but it always felt to time intensesive, too easy to make a mistake. Now that mullvad-browser is available I use that as my daily driver.

I have vanilla Firefox installed but I don't mess with the settings and I barely use it. It's mostly a backup. Mozzilla corporation lost my faith a long time ago.

Mullvad browser is my go to for web browsing. I know they are not going to release some new data leaking feature overnight that I have to scramble to fix.

Degoogled Chrome with different user profiles is where I log into services. (A profile for aws, cloudflare, Lemmy, power company, water, etc). I know Firefox containers are nice, but they don't separate accounts as distinctly to my liking . I know Firefox also has multiple profiles functionality but the UI is very clunky and just harder to use then chrome profiles.

[–] newIdentity@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You use Mullvad browser as your daily driver?

[–] jet@hackertalks.com -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes. 100%. When I'm browsing the internet I don't log into anything. Mullvad browser is perfect for that. On Mac and Linux this is very easy to do. You can set it as your default browser.

On Windows you have to go through some hoops to set mullvad that as your default browser, but I'm sure the team is going to come out with an official solution

If there's something going to be logging into recurrently then I use un Google to Chrome and make a specific profile for that sit

[–] Newchair@feddit.ch 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How does it compare to librewolf?

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Mullvad browser

  • automatic updates
  • follows upstream patches quickly
  • based on Tor browser bundle, includes arkenfox features

** This means the browser works really hard not to write any state to storage

** it tries to be very ephemeral

Librewolf:

  • manual updates
  • A bit slower to patch
  • based on upstream Firefox, but includes arkenfox features

Both are good choices.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 0 points 1 year ago

I'm confused by the downvotes.

Mullvad Browser, Tor Browser, Arkenfox .. Are all Firefox forks. Just without telemetry