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[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"Pre-emptive" and "self-defense" are objectively true here.

Is it opposite day already? Better get my festive sash!

Hezbollah initiated its current conflict with Israel

According to the IDF and American intelligence who came to the conclusion within an hour arter the attack, have shown no proof to support the claim and both have a history of false conclusions and outright fabrications when it suits their pro-Israel narrative.

Israel is fighting defensively

Nope. There's no defensive way to bomb civilian targets. That's not how the word or indeed the world works.

destruction of Hezbollah assets prevents future attacks on Israel.

On the contrary: Hezbollah is a terrorist group.

Just like with Hamas in Gaza, every Lebanese civilian murdered by the IDF makes Hezbollah more influential and thus more powerful as the number of people radicalized by the murder of their loved ones rises.

You can't bomb a terrorist organization out of existence any more than you can make your neighbors like you by killing their parents.

You might believe that Hezbollah is justified in attacking Israel

Nope. Not at all.

Israel is still the defender

Also no, though. Their actions and their unconditional US support is the number one cause of political instability and violence in the Middle East.

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

According to the IDF and American intelligence who came to the conclusion within an hour arter the attack, have shown no proof to support the claim and both have a history of false conclusions and outright fabrications when it suits their pro-Israel narrative.

Uh no, according to Hezbollah themselves. Unless of course you believe the Hezbollah leadership are all Mossad plants

Nope. There's no defensive way to bomb civilian targets. That's not how the word or indeed the world works.

There were 3 deaths on the Lebanese side: 2 Hezbollah fighters and 1 from an associated

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Uh no, according to Hezbollah themselves

Gonna need a source on that.

There were 3 deaths on the Lebanese side: 2 Hezbollah fighters and 1 from an associated

Sounds EXTREMELY unlike how the IDF tends to operate. Gonna need a reliable source on that one too.

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hezbollah-says-when-time-comes-any-action-we-will-carry-it-out-2023-10-13/

Hezbollah deputy chief Naim Qassem said on Friday that the group would not be swayed by calls for it to stay on the sidelines of the ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas, saying the party was "fully ready" to contribute to the fighting.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-strikes-hezbollah-targets-lebanon-military-says-2024-08-25/

Hezbollah said the strikes killed two of its fighters in al-Tiri. The Hezbollah-allied Shi'ite Muslim group Amal said a strike on Khiam killed one of its fighters.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

fully ready

How on earth can you take "we're prepared" to mean claiming that they DID the thing? 🤦

As for the other one, it's very vague. There's no indication of whether or not there's uncounted civilians, only casualties of the official participants with their source being the notorious massacrer of innocents and burier of truth IDF..

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I think you have a very, very onesided view on this

You can find plenty of articles from October where Hezbollah is proud to declare they were attacking Israel to support Gaza and tie up some of Israel's forces

You can find plenty of articles about how almost all civilians in Southern Lebanon have been evacuated.

There's no indication of whether or not there's uncounted civilians, only casualties of the official participants with their source being the notorious massacrer of innocents and burier of truth IDF..

The information you're disputing is not coming from the IDF but directly from Hezbollah themselves, on both these issues

[–] timestatic@feddit.org 2 points 2 months ago

I share your opinion. I don't think its worth continuing to debate that guy as you'll never come to a conclusion. It doesn't really matter what one thinks of the civilian tragedy in Gaza when it comes to whether or not Israel is fighting Hezbollah defensively. In support of Hamas they started sending more bombs in the northern border of Israel so the IDF followed suite to prevent Hezbollah.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think you have a very, very onesided view on this

Yeah, I do. Because some things aren't about sides but about whether or not something is factually accurate.

I'm on the "side" of not doing free PR for known liars whether they be Israel claiming they never did anything wrong, or terrorists bragging without evidence.

almost all civilians in Southern Lebanon have been evacuated.

Guess what? Forced relocation is in itself a war crime. Forcing people out of their homes so that needlessly bombing them to rubble won't look as bad as it otherwise would is NOT a kindness.

The information you're disputing is not coming from the IDF but directly from Hezbollah themselves, on both these issues

So you keep claiming without any source except "trust me, dude" 🙄

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So you keep claiming without any source except "trust me, dude" 🙄

It's quite interesting, you asked for sources so I gave you some a couple posts up, but your reaction just comes down to "well yeah everyone is always lying so why would I believe that?"

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

you asked for sources so I gave you some a couple posts up,

Sources that don't support any of your claims. You could have given me links to TMZ and it would have proven your claims just as well.

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If Reuters citing the Lebanese army, UNIFIL and Hezbollah themselves isn't enough for you, then my early impression seems to have been correct : you are far gone