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Sorry, can't find any better sources for this.

The animator then asked Maher what the “downside” of “getting a vaccine” was, which caused the comedian to go on an anti-vax tirade.

“The fact that you the fact that you don’t even have a clue what’s the cost of getting a vaccine that you don’t know the answer to that. You completely want to shut your eyes to the fact that there are repercussions to all medical interventions, including a vaccine, all vaccines,” he ranted. “They come, they say side effects, just like every medication does. You can see it in the literature. They can’t write it on their back on the vaccine. So you have to dig them. And of course, there is a vaccine court because so many people have been injured.”

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[–] iquanyin@lemmy.world 39 points 10 months ago (1 children)

he’s a douchebag for money. he is vaxxed himself.

[–] xor@sh.itjust.works -5 points 10 months ago (3 children)

i went ahead and listened to that "antivax rant" and really it wasn't against the vaccine at all, he was against the censorship of discussion about it and policies around it.

such as, the lab leak hypothesis... once completely censored as "misinformation", but now a viable theory.

or how previous covid infections don't count as a vaccination, although the immunity ends up the same.

a lot of his ideas on it are wrong, or misinformed, but the fact that we weren't allowed to talk about it was fucked up... and i think it was a lot of the reason antivax shit got so big... being completely censored by bots on every forum makes a lot of people paranoid.

i do also remember being shouted down in every forum by a mob of anti-vax russian sock puppets, so it wasn't for no reason... but still, being able talk about things is crucial for a democracy to function.

[–] thalience@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

such as, the lab leak hypothesis... once completely censored as "misinformation", but now a viable theory

It was never completely censored. Evidenced by the fact that you, me, and everyone else heard about it.

People got called names for promoting it without good evidence. People also got called names for pointing out that the evidence was super weak. Y'know, what passes for "debate" these days.

Stop lying

[–] PopcornTin@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Much like this post's OP, couldn't find any better sources? How about the actual interview in YouTube? Google the names of the two guys, that's all it takes. But no, let's all just rant about how bad anti vax people are, rather than argue whatever points they make. This is such an extreme echo chamber.

For me, it was most revealing when the EU parliament got the pharmaceutical execs to admit they did not track basic stats of the vaccine. Does it prevent infection completely? If not, does it stop retransmission? Does it minimize the severity (no reaction, slight cold, hospitalized, death)? Nope, we're not tracking that.

[–] xor@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago

well that's crazy...
and got the vax earlier than most (got sorta a standby appointment for when higher risk people didn't show up)... and i got a booster...
i'm a very big fan of vaccines...
i'm still not a fan of the way the covid vaccine discussions were censored...

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

being able talk about things is crucial for a democracy to function.

This is a thing that really bothers me these days, has me worried.

There's such an emphasis on "killing the messenger" (vs the message) and shutting down discussion, that we haven't seen in previous ages.

I don't know why it's a new thing, maybe it's just astroturfers/bots, otherwise it's the newer generation being okay with censoring others, and that's a bad thing (censoring others).

[–] xor@sh.itjust.works -1 points 10 months ago

it's been pretty crazy...
with covid we had people dying from dumb information, and russia running huge disinfo campaigns online... so i did understand cracking down on it... but just completely stifling all questioning... at all... was a huge, and terrifying, overreaction.
....
i got banned from reddit for arguing in worldnews against obvious israeli disinformation... so that's fun
....
one main troll tactic now is to just fuck with people until you get them aggravated enough to cuss or something, then report them...
(just got a warning on here, actually... i can say any horrible, literally destructive thing i want... but if i cuss at someone or call them a name, well THEN im uncivil

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works -5 points 10 months ago

That's what happens when you're trained to recognize buzz words as a strategy for defending yourself against idealogies you disagree with. Not defending yourself because you're right, but because it keeps you from being exposed too much to what the other thinks. It's easier to paint things "good, bad", file them away and go on with your day.

It isn't that they think censorship is good, it's that they're trained to censor themselves. This is just late stage social media brainrot taking full effect, among other things.