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A US appeals court Saturday paved the way for a California law banning the concealed carry of firearms in “sensitive places” to go into effect January 1, despite a federal judge’s ruling that it is “repugnant to the Second Amendment.”

The law – Senate Bill 2 – had been blocked last week by an injunction from District Judge Cormac Carney, but a three-judge panel filed an order Saturday temporarily blocking that injunction, clearing the path for the law to take effect.

The court issued an administrative stay, meaning the appeals judges did not consider the merits of the case, but delayed the judge’s order to give the court more time to consider the arguments of both sides. “In granting an administrative stay, we do not intend to constrain the merits panel’s consideration of the merits of these appeals in any way,” the judges wrote.

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[–] Liz@midwest.social 21 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I know you're getting blasted with replies. It's not supposed to be a deterrent. You carry concealed so that you can defend your life with deadly force without having to walk around pretending to be a badass all the time. Carrying a gun doesn't stop crime, it stops people when they make an attempt on your life.

[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Carrying a gun doesn't stop crime, it stops people when they make an attempt on your life.

It can cause an attempt on your life if an assailant gets it. Or if you feel suicidal. The most dangerous gun is the one you own. The safest thing is to buy a gun and mail it to Alaska.

[–] Liz@midwest.social 4 points 10 months ago

I also agree. If you own a gun, the person you're most likely to shoot with it is yourself (statistically speaking). After yourself, it's loved ones. A gun is a massive responsibility and you need to take that seriously in order to not fall victim to the patterns that create those statistics.

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca -1 points 10 months ago (4 children)

How fragile and distrusting of other people does someone have to be to feel the urge to carry a gun around on their person at all times? Granted America can be a bit (lol) dystopian but to warrant a gun on your hip to go to Trader Joe's? That's some scared person behaviour. For a nation that wants to come across as being the confident cowboy there really is a scared child behind it all.

[–] Liz@midwest.social 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I think there are quite a few scared people carrying guns around in the US, and that's very unfortunate. In fact, if you're carrying because you're afraid, you should reevaluate your situation. It's just another tool you can carry around, one that you're very, very unlikely to need.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

In fact, if you’re carrying because you’re afraid, you should reevaluate your situation

Tell that to my (former) neighbors in Chicago. It was a poor neighborhood. There was gang activity. Most of the people that lived there have been on the same street for 30+ years. They couldn't afford to move, and cops DNGAF because the neighborhood was 98% black. What's to "re-evaluate"? You can't move, cops sure as fuck aren't going to save your ass when trouble comes calling, and the violence is real. Even without guns, three young gang members in the alley will fuck you up.

I've got five fire extinguishers in my home, but I've never had a house fire.

[–] Liz@midwest.social 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah yeah, I hear you, but there's a difference between rational fear and irrational fear. You know full well I was talking about folks who live in safe neighborhoods. Even then, you should be practiced enough that you're not walking around paranoid and anxious all the time. It doesn't do you any good to shoot at noises in the dark.

[–] freeindv@monyet.cc 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There's a difference between the reality he's expressing and the made up hateful strawman you're beating up in your head

[–] Liz@midwest.social -2 points 10 months ago

What? I'm honestly not sure what you think is in my head. I was referring to people who are scared to live life in what is actually a safe area?

[–] ZMonster@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

I think there are quite a few scared people carrying guns around in the US, and that's very unfortunate.

See "US Police" for more information.

[–] ZMonster@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] crsu@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

I've been advocating for military slap fights for a decade

[–] freeindv@monyet.cc 3 points 10 months ago

What a hateful way to look at it. Self defense is a basic human right and being prepared to do the right thing doesn't make you "scared"

[–] pl_woah@lemmy.ml -3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Not so much defending as offense...

[–] Liz@midwest.social 5 points 10 months ago

I totally agree! If there was a tool I could carry around that made me invulnerable I'd carry that instead. A "proper" person who has decided to carry a gun should also be carrying pepper spray and a med kit. You can argue about the utility of a taser, but they're very uncommon for people to carry. They should also have significant practice with any tool they decide to carry. Oh, and they should practice de-escalating and disengaging from various "bad" situations. The priority should be to do everything you can to avoid using your gun. If you are forced to use it, that's a bad, rare, and regrettable situation, and you had really better be able to tell yourself you did everything right.