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[–] kvasir476@lemmy.world 110 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Two things not mentioned it that article:

  1. Why would anyone want to fight for a country that is so callously disinterested in the welfare of it's citizens?

  2. In the last quarter-century it has become extremely apparent that the US Military is not the "global force for good" that it wants to portray itself as. Most young people probably aren't interested in joining up to commit war crimes in the name of making money for the military industrial complex.

[–] grumble209@techhub.social 14 points 1 year ago

@kvasir476 @throws_lemy Suggested edit: After "In the last quarter-century" insert "I've finally noticed".

Butler saw the scam first-hand, 100 years ago. Every generation seems it must relearn the lessons of our grandparents.

As for young people not enlisting for wars of convenience - exactly. That's partially why a draft was around, and why it was so unpopular. And why the money each service pays for college benefits goes way up when there's a shooting war and goes down in peacetime.

My time in the Navy overlapped with the VEAP program, which would give me a 2-to-1 match for college - up to the maximum contribution of $2700. What a joke.

Compare that to the current GI Bill plus extra money each service pays directly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler

[–] littlewonder@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

\3. Pay hasn't kept up with civilian work.

\4. They stopped offering student loan repayment as a benefit.

[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago
  1. They stopped offering student loan repayment as a benefit.

What really? That was the biggest reason anyone joined when I was in. Wow. So the headline should be "Military reduces benefits of service, less people willing to serve"

[–] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Never has been the global force for good

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I mean... defeating the Nazis?

[–] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

After Germany declared war on them? They didn't defeat them out of good will, in fact, I'd say America and South Africa were the closest things to Nazi Germany outside of the Reich

[–] ieatpillowtags@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Really? Closer than Russia which actually did invade its neighbors? Go back to lemmygrad.

[–] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Should I remind you of the land the USA originally had and what they did to the people who lived in the lands they conquered?

[–] ieatpillowtags@lemm.ee -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can if you want to pretend that Russia didn’t do the same thing and that it somehow makes the comparison better for you!

[–] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It did, but the natives are more than 1% of the Russian population

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is it good to beat the shit out of the school bully after he picks a fight with you so he learns to stop picking fights with people? I would say so.

[–] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not if you're quite similar to that bully

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There's a difference between being a good country and being a global force for good. In helping to defeat the Nazis, the U.S. was a global force for good regardless of what else they did, had done or will do. The same with Stalinist Russia.

[–] Nudding@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

And then they took all the top scientists from Germany and Japan, who were guilty of crimes against humanity, and made them high ups in the American government

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

stopped clocked fallacy.

the united states is in so many wars, they were bound to achieve one somewhat correctly.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The U.S. military also defeated the Confederacy. So that's two.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

thats 2!

shut it down, shut this all down!

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Helping end genocide in the Balkans would be a third example...

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Global force for better

Good would’ve involved them allowing Spanish civil war vets to fight

[–] Nudding@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You know that was more so Russia right?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would say it was a combined effort, but Russia suffered a lot more. They didn't liberate Paris though.

[–] Nudding@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

It was a combined effort, but Russia did most of the work and lost most of the lives? Nice