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President Joe Biden was asked by a reporter in Israel on Wednesday what made him confident that the Israelis weren't behind the explosion that killed hundreds at a Gaza hospital on Tuesday.

Biden responded that it was "the data I was shown by my Defense Department."

Two U.S. officials told ABC News the Pentagon independently concluded the Gaza hospital blast was likely caused by an errant Palestinian Islamic Jihad rocket that fell short of its target.

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[–] Daiken@lemmy.world 78 points 1 year ago (43 children)

The problem I have with this narrative isn't who dropped the bomb. Tbh they're probably right it was a Palestinian missile. It's the sheer audacity for all these western countries to be shocked and say let's figure this out, as Israel just dropped like 6000 bombs in 6 days. They're worried about one bomb but not the 6000 others, cause ya know, those were killing only Hamas and not injured people in a hospital /s.

While the Muslim world looks on in horror at more bombing in a conflict that has been going on for decades, the western world is focused on insignificant details. Who carried out what attack. Who dropped what bomb. Which act is more morally reprehensible. None of this solves the problem of a displaced people. Only the US can pressure Israel to accept a two state solution. That's the only peaceful solution possible for this conflict imo. The other solution is to wipe out Gaza and the West Bank and everyday we're getting closer to that.

[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (17 children)

I don't know, most of the papers in the UK led with a front page item on how Israel had killed 500 people by bombing a hospital. So if that wasn't actually true, it's quite important.

[–] frederick@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I doubt that Rishi Sunak speak correctly.

This is the most global headline nơw.

If you have a little deep heart inside, you can think twice. See what difference between two sides. Who is support Israel, the world's most powerful militaries that every country don't want take risk to war with. Then, who is support Palestine. There is many country but still behind.

The latest statistics on the Israel-Palestine conflict as of October 19, 2023, are as follows:

Gaza: Killed: At least 3,478 Injured: Over 12,065 Occupied West Bank: Killed: At least 69 Injured: More than 1,300 Israel: Killed: At least 1,403 Injured: At least 3,800

These figures have been reported by the Palestinian health ministry, Palestine Red Crescent Society, and Israeli Medical Services. Please note that these numbers are subject to change as the situation evolves.

And what the trembling moments 1 child killed in Gaza every hour. Precisely more than that. 😥

When 12 of The Council drafted a statement calling for a ceasefire on Wednesday, but the statement was vetoed by the US. WHAT THE F***

Millions of lives hang in the balance, including the 2.3 million civilians half of whom are children in Gaza civilians in Israel, and Jews and Muslims around the world.

I can write more but let just world knows who is the really war criminal.

You don't have to be Muslim to support Palestine 🇵🇸 ... you just have to be HUMAN ... 😥

[–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

what can third parties do to reduce or eliminate Hamas's hold on Palestine?

I'm all for Palestinian rights, and the constant encroachment of fundamentalist settlements is a war crime that went unpunished for Israel - but Hamas's charter is explicit, there's no middle ground or two state solution, just the destruction of Israel.

So how can third parties help the Palestinians in the one way that would make a significant difference in their QOL and interactions with Israel?

Honest question.

[–] hassanmckusick@lemmy.discothe.quest -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

so make Israel an easier target for the many countries that agree with Hamas and think it should be destroyed?

pfft. did you even read the question? How the fuck does that stop Hamas, if anything it would embolden them. How does that help Palestinians wanting a future without a genocidal fuckwit club running their country?

[–] hassanmckusick@lemmy.discothe.quest 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

how can we help Palestine?

no not like that

[–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

you've yet to suggest anything practical or realistic. or even remotely helpful to anyone but hamas.

put it together dipshit, just helping hamas doesn't improve Palestinian lives. For once in your life stop being a lazy sack and use your fucking brains.

[–] anarchost@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just helping Israel doesn't help Israeli lives... Sending all that money to Israel is no good when all they do with it is use it for terrorist attacks like the ones they're carrying out right now.

Damn, it's almost like the logic cuts both ways

[–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

In no way am I suggesting Israeli crimes be forgotten, or that they're let off the hook. But in this instance Hamas attacked civilians and that's not going to go away, even if you can spin Hamas's actions as retribution.

The thing that sickens me the most was Hamas murdered multiple people who were vociferous and lifelong advocates for a two state solution and wanted compromise. And Hamas has never shown leadership; the people of Palestine deserve better from both directions.

[–] hassanmckusick@lemmy.discothe.quest -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

BDS is the peaceful solution.

You can stick your fingers in your ears and call me all the names you want. Smarter people than you or I have already given their opinions. Go look one up since you're clearly not interested in discussion.

Edit: Less than a day later

The international community and particularly Israel’s allies, including EU member states, the US and the UK [must] impose a comprehensive arms embargo on all parties to the conflict given that serious violations amounting to crimes under international law are being committed. States must refrain from supplying Israel with arms and military materiel, including related technologies, parts and components, technical assistance, training, financial or other assistance. They should also call on states supplying arms to Palestinian armed groups to refrain from doing so

[–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

BDS

This is the first remotely realistic thing you've suggested after two rounds of shitposting. Thanks for replying, gonna block you now because you're an insufferable prick who has literally nothing to add to the discussion.

[–] anarchost@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Israel can also reverse its decision to call a bunch of secular groups "terrorist organizations," follow WHO recommendations, follow UN recommendations, turn food on in Gaza, start shipping water to Gaza, start providing electricity to Gaza, cease gunning down people in Gaza, stop blocking people from Gaza from leaving to Egypt, allow a UN investigatory force into the country to determine whether they were committing war crimes, allow neutral peacekeepers to mediate the violence between them and Gaza, have them accept massive sanctions if they kill even another Palestinian, demand an immediate rollback of all West Bank settlements, remove the ethnonationalist language from their laws, stop discriminating based on religion on their "right to return" policies, extend all rights that they give to Jews to everyone else in the West Bank and Gaza, pay reparations to everyone they have harmed in the West Bank and Gaza, publicly apologize for all extremist language used during and leading up to their terrorist attack on Gaza, military tribunals for all IDF soldiers found attacking unarmed Palestinians, etc.

[–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hey finally someone who wants to talk actual actions! And I agree with most of your points!

stop blocking people from Gaza from leaving to Egypt,

uhhh is this the case? My understanding was the passage from Gaza to Egypt was blocked by Gaza. Hard to find details though, I could be mistaken.

I'm all for Israel being held to the rule of law. I'm also all for Hamas being held to the same structures.

[–] anarchost@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Well if there's just one thing wrong in my wall of text, so be it. Googling around, it looks like Egypt is the group that doesn't want the Rafah crossing opened, because they don't want Palestinians settling permanently in their land. And Israel has been bombing the crossing and the migrants at it.

Concentrating Palestinians who were already in one of the most densely populated areas of the world into what, half their original land mass, is pretty genocidal on its own. Maybe just no longer doing the genocide. They could stop.

[–] rambaroo@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're not going to get any magical solution because Israel is a country founded on stolen land by entitled religious extremists. People always leave that part out when they talk about this situation.

[–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

You’re not going to get any magical solution

and yet they all believe in their invisible friends and holy books so much.... ironic that.

Israel is a country founded on stolen land by entitled religious extremists. People always leave that part out when they talk about this situation.

funny how you're leaving out the near extermination of their people and world recognition of their state, kinda glossing over most of history even. guess you decided to leave those parts out too. It's almost as if both sides are completely full of shit.

Huh.

[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

You also can support Palestinian people and genuinely want their liberation, but have zero love for Hamas or IJ.

[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Okay well I'm not sure what most of this says, and I know better than to engage in Israel-Palestine discourse online.

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