For the very problems you stated, I'm in favor of UBI. Capital would take some time to adjust to the new system and for a moment, misery would be alleviated for a metric shitload of people. When it's ripped from our hands by greedy capitalists, it could act as a unifying, radicalizing force and bring us closer to a revolution. There's a loooot more to it than my few sentences. But a UBI given to everyone with no means testing would be an objectively good thing. And its a bit like Pandora's box. Once it's here, you can't take it away without serious social ramifications. I'll leave a couple of articles that touch on this because it's something the left ought to be taking more seriously, however I haven't had a chance to read the two of them all the way through yet. I'm at work and things just got busy but here ya go one, two

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I like the idea of UBI too. I hope it happens and that we transition into a UBS model once its success is shown to the world. That being said it's important to front that with me not being in support of the neofeudal UBI that silicon valley techbros push for. That would be a disaster.

[–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Hard agree on all points. It's a bit of a bummer that Andrew yang of all people was the one to start the national conversation about UBI because his whole deal just pollutes the discussion from the jump

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It did at least introduce the concept to a lot of people, especially to those who have otherwise never have heard of it.

Kind of like what Bernard Sandman did. He introduced people to a bastardized version of socialism but that still got people talking.

[–] Peaty@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Also for a guy with a Math pin he ignored key parts of the UBI research he used for his position and repeatedly misrepresented the figures in it.

The projection that the economy would grow because of UBI was in the part of the Roosevelt Institute study that posited the money would just appear from the sky whereas the growth rates projected from tax financed UBI were almost zero as would be expected.