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i hate to say it, but i don't want the network effect taking off. in fact, that's a sign it's time to leave. is it possible to ever just have a smallish community where real discussion and ideas can flourish without the rest of the US dragging everything down to the lowest common denominator?
You can always just only stay here, the admins are great about banning the wandering reddit libs pretty quickly
seems like a lot of work for no gain
I guess you have to ask yourself, are we spreading ideas and looking to chip away at the predominant hegemony, or do we want to self isolate?
One of the nice things about lemmy.ml is that it starts from a far left perspective and as a result of reddits own unmaking, places normies in a position of no longer being the predominant opinion in the room.
This has two outcomes from what I can guess:
Or normies show up and take over?
You think they're going to take over lemmygrad, or hexbear? The thing about federation is that you can avoid the outcome you're talking about by only federating with communities that share our values.
Well they've taken over lemmy.ml?
Registration on Lemmy.ml is no longer open I think. Lemmy.world is leading the pack for active users (or close to it). Regardless, why would the admins of lemmygrad and hexbear not enforce their own rules on the normies?
I just went over to lemmy.ml and got called a Putler penis fellator or some such teenage insult.
You're going to have to have thicker skin then that comrade.
And me having thicker skin will make the outcome we were talking about not have happened somehow?
I think you lost the thread there.
My friend, you are always going to be ideologically out numbered. If the libs want to call you names, that only shows their ignorance. Walking away ensures what you're talking about actually happens. It's not your job to educate people if they do not want to hear it, however, disengaging only ensures those spaces become hostile to your beliefs. Systems like these only have value at scale, and with that scale comes individuals who do not share your world view. Alienation starts at home, we we decide to no longer engage. Just take solace in knowing this space here, is for you first.
I think there's a parallel conversation going on here that's happening only in your mind. We were talking about libs taking over lemmy.ml, remember?
Why do you think I "walk away", or have a "thin skin"? What gave you that impression? It's certainly not the case and nothing I've said should have given you this idea. You can look at my comment history yesterday on lemmy.ml to verify.
It's like those guys who say "I'm not joining fediverse because it's full of weird people". I mean, good riddance
Isn't that what the entire federation point is? We can keep this community and keep it insular.
To expect that lemmy as a whole can remotely be the same as lemmygrad is delusional and indicative of being way too online. If anything having lemmy as a whole being more moderate and broader based is a propagandistic tool (not that it even matters that much, online is fake, join a party).
Gramscian hegemonic analysis with regards to the superstructural "war" is silly as fuck and a huge waste of time. We will never have hegemony offline or online under capitalism, the smart response is to adapt, propagate our ideas where it makes sense, and act strategically.
Honestly for me online is mostly a venting space, I see literally zero value over debating libs in that area. Pushing a counter narrative has some use yes, but even then that impact is minimal, and conclusive to at best the worst recruits you can possibly imagine.
edit: it's also a dogshit habit when it comes to mass work where you have to interact with countless ideologically backwards elements in the organized working class. You will never find purity. Going full guns blazing on libs is a time and place and contextual situation and you need to learn how to not flip the fuck out over backwards and even reactionary ideas in those settings, because doing that will lead you to never be able to stamp them out amongst the masses.
"can i just have my little echochamber please"
Can you just not? One of the reasons I love this place other than for the marxism and such, is because they don't allow transphobia and I am sick of constantly seeing transphobia everywhere, especially online. I'm trans, and just seeing the casual transphobia everywhere just like, it weighs me down, makes me depressed. I also don't like being harassed either for being trans unless you think people wanting the right not to be harassed is an "echochamber" to?
youre entirely entitled to excluding them from your safe space, but arguing for the exclusion of any ideas and discussion right of stalin and then acting like youre doing it for the sake of preserving ideas and discussion is silly
in the exact same way that a rightoid site banning those damn libtards to preserve open dialogue would be moronic
People here have gotten and answered good faith questions over the past week. It's when people roll in accusing us of being genocidal monsters and go for dunking over dialogue that the ban hammer gets used.
no, i distinctly didnt say anything about moderating transphobia^___^
Let me clarify a little. When you say “can i just have my little echochamber please” belittling, it makes me feel like you want anyone to come here, like reactionaries and for them to say whatever they want to more or less. In which it will just be used as an entry point by reactionaries and the rest to bring all that reactionary stuff over here, bog things down and bring transphobia or racism and such. I'm not exactly sure how to word exactly what I mean right now but I'll quote Lenin since it feels relevant to what I am trying to poorly say. I think misterslime12 linked comic says it best to.
From "What Is To Be Done?" by Lenin.
if reactionaries are what you lot are actually talking about im perfectly sympathetic
im less than convinced that thats the case though considering the response this place has had to anything right of china and russia have done no wrong ever
I'm gonna stop engaging since it feels like I shouldn't reply, I'm also really sleepy and I might be poorly articulating myself again, but I just want to say like. No one here literally thinks China and Russia are perfect countries that has done no wrong. That just ideological nonsense and not grounded in reality. You can find criticism of Russia or China on here if you use the search here. I saw a discussion on here about criticism of Stalin weeks ago. Along with that, said criticism are informed and not influenced by western or anticommunism propaganda or capitalist propaganda. There is a ton of western and anticommunism propaganda out there. Like seriously there a ton.
But to add, no country is perfect, there gonna be mistakes. However what tends to happen is like. The west tends to make mountains out of mole hills, twists what actually happen or makes non-existent things that never even happen, see Radio Free Asia that's ran by the CIA. Another example, the United States said how Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, but they didn't, yet people still trust the U.S or it's media that pushed it? Why wouldn't the United States and western media also mislead/lie about Russia or China to?
Another issue with "criticism" of these places is that a lot are unfounded and are used to push imperialism, capitalism, and colonialism and their apologia. The U.S accusing Iraq of having WMD's is an example of that to, as it help pushed for an invasion into Iraq. There are plenty of other examples out there to, too many to count.
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