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New Covid wave has begun and masks should be worn again, scientists warn
(www.independent.co.uk)
this post was submitted on 17 Aug 2023
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You mean this data? https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
If so, then don't just look at the positive tests but at the graph that shows tests performed. Positive tests goes up but tests performed is relatively the same. That tells you it is a real increase in positivity. It could be the start of another big peak, or not. Time will tell, but you'd think going through the last years one should pay attention to such statistics. Because if you start taking measures only when you are back to 100.000+ cases a day you are a bit too late.
and patients committed
I "admit" committed is funny because that's what COVID and all of the "I did my own research" hoopla has made me feel like. That I've been committed to an insane asylum with all of the loonies spreading their theories justifying their behavior without impunity thereby making COVID more deadly as it lasts longer given such time to continuously mutate......
No, because if hysteria would be an appropriate response it wouldn't be hysteria. The good news is: no one is calling for hysteria, there's just a recommendation to wear masks.
Right back at you. Please show me where I am not "chill" here? There is one person who is not chill and its certainly not me.
You can still choose to wear a mask or not, theres no law yet or is there? So just don't, I guess?
The smaller bumps by the way occur because people kept getting vaccines and boosters. How does that look like where you are? When was the last time you got a shot or a booster? From the sound of it a while ago.
this proves you don't understand what you're talking about at all. there was never a compelling reason to stop masking according to the data. period.
that's nice. it's also tantamount to covid denial, so you can just take it and shove it right back up your ass where it came from.
you're right, i'm sorry. it's just downplaying a deadly and ongoing virus and dismissing the most effective method of protection against it as not necessary.
don't talk to me, you're disgusting.
Come down from your pedestal for a moment. The world isn’t binary. The most effective method of protection against it would be total self-isolation, but I’m guessing you’re not advocating for that, so I’m going to assume that means you agree that there’s a limit to how far we should go to reduce the spread of the virus. We clearly disagree on where that point is.
I understand it’s uncomfortable having your viewpoints challenged, but you are acting like a petulant child. If you’re going to argue with me, the least you could do is talk about the issue and try to convince me of your viewpoint. I’m very open to changing my views, but the only learning experience I’m currently enjoying is that a good number of the users here are extremely bigoted.
If you genuinely don’t want me to talk to you, you can just block me, or stop replying.
not interested in your condescending "more mature than thou" masturbatory horseshit, people like you have led to the deaths of countless innocents. go jerk off into your own mouth, i don't have time for debate perverts
You have no idea whatsoever about what kind of person I am. You’re literally yelling at a strawman.
Also, I’m not trying to debate. I’m trying to build solidarity across the working class. We should be working together to fight against the elites, not treating eachother like shit.
Take a step back, get some perspective, and stop acting so indignant over nothing.
fine, we can agree on this if nothing else.
I’m almost certain we agree on more things than we disagree on, to be honest. For example, I believe that the way that the pandemic was handled by the majority of western nations was an absolute disgrace, basically sacrificing countless vulnerable people on the altar of capitalism, and that withholding the vaccine from third world nations is just absurdly immoral.
I’m sure our opinions differ on a few points, but I think that we will generally agree on the majority of the things that are important.
Anyways, if you have the time, inclination, and energy, I’d really appreciate it if you could help me understand your perspective on this a bit better. I promise I’m not going to “well, actually” or debate bro you, I’m just trying to see broader perspectives a bit better. If you don’t want to for whatever reason, then I understand, and either way I hope you’re doing well and that you have a great day.
To the best of my knowledge there is no meaningful surveillance in the USA or EU. Some places are still doing wastewater testing but it's difficult to make solid determinations from wastewater.
Is there still surveillance in the UK? Afaik Wales is still doing wastewater testing, but I'm not aware of any other systematic surveillance being conducted now.
If I'm reading that right they did 30k tests and got 6k positives, about 17%. I would consider that enough infection going around to be very concerned. Am I misunderstanding those numbers?
Your idiocy is astounding and it's a miracle your bloodline hasn't been wiped out yet by natural selection. This article is a warning against complacency and an effort to prevent a second covid crisis. Idiots like you are for a huge part to blame why the first one was so devestating so shut the fuck up and stick to your esotheric yoga group for middle aged women on facebook.
I like your disdain for journalists and capitalism and the state but sometimes stories stick around for a long time because they're actually still on-going. Pandemics usually have multiple cycles. There usually isn't just one big spread and that's it. The fact that the state f'ed up the response to the initial wave just makes more waves more likely.
Journos are wrong a lot but not 100% of the time just like 95% lol
Yeah, for sure, I get that pandemics happen in waves, I just don't buy that there's going to be another surge like we saw in 2022. It just doesn't make sense, there would have to be some superspreader event the likes of which we have never seen - and we already had all of the insane amount of everyone flooding back into the airports for the summer holidays. If it was going to have a resurgence, it would have been then, I think.
I think that as long as its still spreading pretty regularly, which it is, I know its not the same as in 2022 but there is still spread happening in lots of places. As long as thats happening theres a chance of mutation and if someone with a bad mutation goes to an airport or a sports event that could trigger a surge at any moment. Its impossible to predict this stuff so I understand being skeptical of headlines especially because media always fucks up science stories. But like I said with the spread and mutations happening we don't know when but its likely that there will be spikes or surges at some point and that means preventable deaths and thats bad. Its not as bad as we've seen before but still bad.
Yeah, exactly, that's what bothers me - the risk exists, and the more that media spreads this kind of sensationist shit, the more likely that when a new variant does cause a surge in infections, people will ignore those headlines and that guidance because they've been desensitised.
I think the only disconnect we have is that I think different people will take this story in different ways. Some of the people in this thread I think are in the minority that is very worried about covid and the real effects its having on them or their loved ones and to them this article isn't sensationalist.
Generally I agree with you though, most people will take an article like this as proof that the media is always full of shit and fearmongering for money and that feeling isn't unfounded.
You know you can follow the tweet to learn more about the author, right?
That "random person" is Trisha Greenhalgh - Professor of Primary Care Health Sciences at the University of Oxford.
Here's an excerpt from her Oxford Uni profile:
Trish is the author of over 400 peer-reviewed publications and 16 textbooks. She was awarded the OBE for Services to Medicine by Her Majesty the Queen in 2001, made a Fellow of the UK Academy of Medical Sciences in 2014, and elected an International Fellow of the US Academy of Medicine in 2021. She is also a Fellow of the UK Royal College of Physicians, Royal College of General Practitioners, Faculty of Clinical Informatics and Faculty of Public Health.
https://www.phc.ox.ac.uk/team/trish-greenhalgh
Her Google Scholar profile shows that her work has been cited almost 95,000 times in other research papers.
https://scholar.google.co.uk/citations?sortby=pubdate&hl=en&user=8KQwEGcAAAAJ&view_op=list_works
Sounds like a 'you' problem.
Definitely a them problem because it's not a problem over here where I am
"Not knowing the details" is part of scientific endeavour. If we already knew the details there would be no need for science in the first place. We should not hold it against her.
Its for yor benefit. And NHS actually saves lives.