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[–] mister_monster@monero.town 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The problem is that the Taliban have popular support. The media don't want to report it, but this is a society where public life has always been under the purview of men, it's a largely Muslim country, very rural, and the alternative power centers there are chock full of child molesters and corrupt individuals. The Taliban, dispute their strong ideological position, has a lot going for them. They're not taking bribes to sell out their values. They're capable of maintaining stability. Even if people disagree with some or other things about them, theyre better than the alternatives. Fact is, they're in power there because they're the only organization capable of holding power there.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

it’s a largely Muslim country

Pretty much all the Abrahmic religions do this shit when they're in power...

I wouldn't have pointed it out, because it's kind of like saying the sky is blue. But from the rest of your comment it seems like you legitimately think it's just Muslims., And not that entire religious family

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not just Muslims that are fundamentalist extremists. But of every major religion, Islam has the highest rate of that kind of extremism. There are plenty of Christian countries which are socially progressive and endorse modern sensibilities. No Muslim countries are.

I have a dear friend of mine who is a religious minority in Egypt (she's a Copt). The paranoia that she and her parents have when interacting with Muslims is saddening, because of how it's been justified. Her church has lost several members to religious violence, and she's lived through a suicide bombing which happened at that church and targeted Christians.

I'm not saying there aren't Christian extremists. There are. But the Muslim extremist problem is an order of magnitude larger within that faith.

Judge individual Muslims for their own beliefs. But there is no Christian version of the Taliban state or ISIS. And Islam is to blame for the actions of its extremist adherents writ large. It desperately needs a religious reformation, but instead, the Saudis are still chopping the heads off of people who offend their religious police.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It’s not just Muslims that are fundamentalist extremists. But of every major religion, Islam has the highest rate of that kind of extremism

Not really...

There's over 1.7 billion Muslims in the world, that's a lot of people.

But there is no Christian version of the Taliban state or ISIS

So basically you're saying we can just ignore all the countries where they're trying to do it, just ignore them till their in power?

Nah, I don't see how that helps anyone except Christian extremists.

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not saying we should ignore anything. I'm saying we shouldn't ignore the extremely high rate of extremism within Islam.

But if you want to prove me wrong, point to a single Muslim country where apostasy and homosexuality are socially accepted

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I’m saying we shouldn’t ignore the extremely high rate of extremism within Islam.

And I'm saying you don't seem to understand how large a number 1.7 billion is...

But if you want to prove me wrong, point to a single Muslim country where apostasy and homosexuality are socially accepted

Lebanon

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

Lebanon isn't a Muslim nation. It has a significant Muslim plurality. And homosexuality is de facto illegal there AND extremely socially unacceptable, with 85% of Lebanese people saying it should be "rejected by society."

Give me a Muslim nation where homosexuality and apostasy are both legal and socially acceptable.

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Since you edited your post after I replied like a dirty little liar, here's a second reply.

Can I name a Christian majority country where being gay is generally acceptable, being an apostate is generally acceptable, and both are legal? Yeah. Canada, the US, Australia, Spain, the UK, France, Germany, etc, etc, etc.

[–] ruford1976@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

are you lobotomized?

[–] mister_monster@monero.town 0 points 1 year ago

I said Muslim once. The rest of my comment is about Afghanistan.

[–] teichflamme@lemm.ee -3 points 1 year ago

They really don't. Israel is a Jewish country and women are allowed to go to school or university.

There's countless Christian countries and that shit happens nowhere.

[–] DONTBANTHISACCOUNT@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It reminds me of Iraq right before 9/11 happened.. ye they had a piece of shit dictator Sadam; absolutely. But they wasn't being bombed to smithereens. And in the mess of war in Iraq the ISIS were able to fuck shit up n grow , even growing into syria, Afghanistan n maybe other countries...